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Post by rick62 on Dec 14, 2006 11:42:42 GMT -5
here is list of suspects named by Alex Jones: Doc Condon, Red Johnson, Betty Gow, Violet Sharpe, Isador Fisch and Charlie _______?? Essentially, JFC and the servants/
The baby is allegely handed out the front door from Gow to Violet? With Red or Charlie driving the green sedan? or Reds green coupe? Or Condon's Ford coupe? then the 4some proceeds to Princeton(?) where Charlie lived with his wife. Now Charlie Ellerson must have lived near Englewood? And Charlie Shippell lived in Mt. Rose Hill. but Charlie Schleser lived we dont know where? Maybe Trenton? Oops--my bad....I almost forgot Duane Charles Baker? The guy that came from Boston and his wife was named Margaret? He skipped out with the rent money from the JJ Faulkner Apartments in the Bronx.......there are too many Charlies in this case! And Noso skipped out w/ Baker's wife?
Its possible that Alex Jones was forgetful after 20 odd years in his facts surrounding where Charlie lived with his wife? Do they mean Englewood and not Princeton? Actually this tale jibes pretty close to Wendels investigations?
Charlie Henry Ellerson is married w/ 2 kids. His wife is Polish? His father is deceased and his mother Elizabeth (Betty?) lives in Norwood NJ . Ellerson is also very friendly with one of WH Irvings polish maids? He also hangs around the Fort Lee area (Sha-toe speakeasy) and knows the State Boxing Comish "Bugs Kruger"? On the night of the kidnap Charlie shows up at Sha=toe at 8-9pm to hang out with Septimus Banks and Thomas Brennan. Soooooo...Violet goes out w/ Ernie and Charlie goes out w/ Septimus but to different bars in different cities? And they are engaged? 80
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Post by Rita Witt on Dec 15, 2006 0:06:22 GMT -5
Many people are befuddled by the case haveing so many diverging alibis that they readily accept the popular modified and cleansed Wilentz version of a kidnap. If we look at the unexplained events by employees Lindbergh and Bette Morrow expicitly vouches for and, and why only Violet was was the exception?
Why did Edna and Violet bot have unexplained hospitalizations that includesd private recovery houses? Edna was employed by Constance, but was at th the Morrow house until departure to England, and not questioned by police. The interesting item here is that Violet paid Edna's hospital bill, and aldo had $900.00 bank account remaining after death on a $85.00 dollar a month salary.
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Post by rick on Dec 15, 2006 21:14:06 GMT -5
Well, we still need to come up with the Theory or Motive for the case: - Lindy wants to send Charlie Jr away to school?
- Some weird accident happens to Charlie over the weekend?
- The servants want some spending money at low risk?
Nevertheless, we see the plot is centered amongst the servants at Next Day Hill and the Sha-toe in Englewood. Notice how Margarite Junge vouches for Red, and Ellerson and Banks vouch for each other over at the Sha-toe? Violet goes out with Ernie1 or Ernie2 BUT then lies about it. They are all lying to one degree or another....and Betty Morrow backs them 100%? Good candidates for Violets poisoning: Banks/Ellerson/Junge/Gow/Dwight or CAL. After all Highfields is abandoned on May 21 and CAL, Anne, Gow etc move back to Next Day. Ollie and Elsie are in the clear here.
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Post by Rita Witt on Dec 15, 2006 21:32:44 GMT -5
Hi Rick That is an excellent set of suspicious character events that does make sense, and makes you wonder how the police missed it. It fits whatever happened to Charlie, but there all that is needed is some actual court records from the family or school, as the school may have been used as a conceal all for misshaps. I think Dwight Jr. may have been istitutionalized over harming Charly, and the picture in Theon Wright page 253 show Charly in pain around age one with a great deal of photo retouching.
The issue then would be what rewards did Cal offer employees for their help and silence? Can we check their bank accounts for quick riches?
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Post by rick for Rita on Dec 16, 2006 20:18:23 GMT -5
Well, it probably wouldnt take too much cash to pay off the LIndbergh/Morrow servants....they are making minimum wages for sure...starting salarys around $85 bucks per month.
Charlie Ellerson was seen to have extra money flashing at the Sha-toe on March 1st and was handing out $20 bills to his buds? Violet Sharpe must have had 100% of her wages in her savings account--using the accountant that calculated the ransom for BRH?
Since we know that all the servants are lying (only Violet gets caught?) now we have to figure out what exactly they have to lie about? Could Ellerson, or Red Johnson have driven down to Highfields that fateful Tuesday nite and taken Charlie Jr out the front door from Betty Gow at around 7pm and still have time to get to the Sha-toe or wherever by 9pm? Wonder who exactly they could have passed Charlie Jr off to at Engle wood....maybe Ernie Johnson and Minners? Maybe Charlie Jr. wanted to go dancing at the Peanut Grill in NY on his way up to Bridgeport or Waterbury Connecticut? (Frederick Collins/ Liberty 1936)
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Post by Rita Witt on Dec 17, 2006 0:24:44 GMT -5
Hi Rick I finaly got the Junges and Jones moved up top. I think they used fictitious names or aliases for Charleys hospital stay, and probably learned this procedure from Dwght Jr. lockup. I think the evidence is still there just that everyone is looking for their real names. Norris told me he couldn't find any court restraining orders against Dwight Jr., but I think there was also one on Elizabeth only under an alias. Many people use alias in business, and you can even legaly get credit cards using an alias, as it is done in corporations and LLC.
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Post by rick for rita on Dec 17, 2006 13:10:07 GMT -5
Good lead Rita/ Gardner is very skeptical about the alibi provided for Fisch by Jung and hubby on March 1st 1932....why collect some $10 debts that very nite? As if the alibi was created after the fact to protect Charlie Schleser after Fisch dies of TB in Germany? The same of course is true for Red Johnsons bogus alibie of driving around with margariet JungE during the critical hours that Charlie turns up missing/ she comes home AFTER Violet.
Therefore/ the Charlie______ in Alex Jones letter could be Charlie the Pieman Schleser....Fischs best bud. Schleser is a bad egg with lots of convictions and a prefessional conman....he even conned Fisch so he makes a good Master Mind too.
In addtion, for the time being we should consider that Violet (or Edna) did in fact know Ernie Brinkert and thats how the Post Road Taxi Cards got into Violets room...AND also how Ernies name got into Violets address book!(found by FBI). Brinkerts alibi likely would not stand, but noone cared after Violet drank the hemlock/ If Violet would have just told the truth, or a little white lie that was plausible....she would have been let off the hook just like everyone else?
BUT, Violet was bound and determined not to admit any of this for over 90 days or to face Brinkert head on at the Alpine Police station. Maybe Violet (aka Ruby) and Edna were hookers and Ernie picked them up along the highway in White Plains NY? Its a killer that Violet married an olde (60s) married man before leaving England too....DYBT?
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Post by Rita Witt on Dec 17, 2006 17:21:07 GMT -5
I think Cal and Dwight Sr. hired employees on how clever they were knowing they could put them to use later. They new Violet was Ruby so she would help with their dissapearing illusion later on. If we could check hospital and court records for similar events with different names we might be able to solve the case?
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Post by rick for rita on Dec 17, 2006 19:58:35 GMT -5
Well, maybe one of these kids was for Elizabeth since she was too debilitated to have her own?
Both Edna and Violet spent time in hospital, Edna in 1931 and then a recoup in a Womens Home in New Rochelle? Gary noted that Violet paid the bills?
Apparently, we are looking for Dwight Jrs kids, Dwight Srs grandkids and CAL Aryan Nation? Looks like a Little School to me? Where did Constance Chilton entered this picture and what happened to her later on ? She flys below the radar just like Edna.
Get this: Edna stopped working for Constance Chilton in the Spring of 1931 to go into hospital, but was still living at Next Day Hill in April 1932 just before she went home? Who was hiding Edna at Next Day and for what reason? Why wasnt she interviewed about Ernie Brinkert before she went to England?
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Post by Rita Witt on Dec 18, 2006 22:14:04 GMT -5
WHere they employees or a harem? It sorta looks like Banks must have had a hard job oiling the hinges to bedroom doors.
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Post by rick for rita on Dec 19, 2006 21:41:02 GMT -5
Ellis Parker made the point in "The Corpse in the Creek" that most people don't change drastically from honest person to deceptor/murderer/criminal behavior? Not overnite at least.
Speaking of overnites, CAL preferred to stay over at Next Day Hill on many a nite....like Monday Feb 29th 1932 for instance. Now I wonder why a nice loving hubby like CAL would prefer Next Day than home with the wife and IT? Hmmmmm. Although we know the name of all 26 names in Violet Sharpe's address book, we don't know the names of all 29, oops 30 (Edna Sharpe) at Next Day Hill? I doubt we can even name half?
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Post by Rita Witt on Dec 19, 2006 22:09:26 GMT -5
If Cal was in the book he would have used an alias as so many rich guys do. We might be looking at the information to solve the case but it has been made difficult by the use of alias.
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