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Post by rick61 on Mar 31, 2006 4:26:40 GMT -5
There are a number of odd connections between Nazis and the LKC....followed by the unexplained irony that CAL and Anne then go to Germany and recieve a medal from Goerring or Himler before WWI breaks out? I think this all gets brought out in the new book about CAL running for Pres in 1940 against FDR his nemisis. Its a bit unlikely, like the Lindberghs naming thier second son after Cemetary JON?
1. Just a large group of Germans, like BRH, Fisch,Uhlig, Henkels, Hans Kloppenberg, etc taking 3 month vacations during the Depression catches my eye. All BRHs finances were studied with a fine tooth comb AFTER the babe is snatched...."but who was paying the bills and new car in 1930-31"?? 2. The Waffen-SS symbols on the ransom notes..if true. See Ronelles site for examples...of the 2 squiggles. 3. The Mersman Table confession from Hamburg signed NSDAP or German Nazi Party. 4. Eugenics was the cornerstone of the Final Solution. Remember, not only Jews were singled out for extinction, but Quakers, Gays, Sick, Disabled, Feeble minded, foreighners with dark skin and on and on. heres where we connect Dr. Ellenbogen from Skillman with Buchenwald. Just a bit too close for comfort--4 miles away.(or Dr. Alex Carrell at Rockefeller Institute)
Now its been argued, quite logically, would a group of German kidnappers masquerade as Germans by means of Nazi symbols or German handwriting like boad? Probably not--were they framed--or bragging? Sig Heil!
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Post by kathy for board on Mar 31, 2006 6:26:54 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Rick! We could look at the Junges. Johannes had just stepped off the boat (from Hamburg) although his wife had been here for 11 yrs working for the Morrows. I researched the name Junge on the net and found they were a prominent family (wealthy) in Hamburg. He was unemployed, living in the boarding house with Red and Ellerson and his alibi for the night was his wife and Red.
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Post by rick for kathy on Mar 31, 2006 8:24:12 GMT -5
thanks Kathy...there is only moderate joy in making it to 62 and Social Security! I forgot the Junges and Hamburg and the Mersman poem! Good call. And Red gets a clean bill of health, and a free pass to Norway. Margarite Junge is listed by Gardner as a friend of Betty so thats likely how Red got a room there. Betty as listed as "dedicated to Charlie" Would she steal him? Or just borrow him? Ive been thinking that someone being alone with Charlie would be significant. Only Betty qualifies after she gets to Sorrel Hill/ but who was alone with Charlie all that weekend? Yes, lets follow up on Margarites hubby too/
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Post by rick62 on Apr 1, 2006 13:08:10 GMT -5
Did the Nazis kidnapp Charlie on purpose to study him? Stay with me now:
1. CAL was an All-American Aryan God...Mom, apple pie and Chrismas all rolled into one.
2. The NAzis would be hot to clone CAL for thier experiments in perfection.
3. But it is much easier to snatch Charlie and take him to Germany
4. The nappers dont realize that Charlie is sick, sub-narmal, and imperfect
5. Charlie dies by accident or due to something related to his weakness.
6. The whole Eugenics movement is set back 10 years w/o CALs bloodline
7. the gang might include Junges/ Red/Violet/BRH/ Carrell/ use your own imagination
8. Evidence: the SS Signund on the notes/ Mersman table/ German spy group in Bronx
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Post by kathy for rick on Apr 1, 2006 14:51:23 GMT -5
good thinking! that helps tie in alot of the players. Add that CAL was of Nordic descent and pro- eugenics and you're on your way. Don't forget Carrel and his work witht he Nazis
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Post by rick62 on Apr 2, 2006 14:58:54 GMT -5
Kathy--lets firm up the link between Dr. Alex Carrell and the Nazis. Was that after the War started and CAL and Anne were living on a French Island. I dont recall any effort among the Germans to steal any kids not that I would put this past them. Clearly there was a Nazi breeding program using the best stock and thats likely how CAL got nominated for the Fatherland.
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Post by kathy on Apr 2, 2006 16:06:31 GMT -5
rick i know there was some kind of coollaboration with the nazis because France later removed Carrel's name from various places. You're right aobut the super breeding program. the history channel? ahd a program and the children i think it might have been in Sweden anyway the children of this experiment were shunned after the war. I'll see what i can find kathy
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Post by kathy on Apr 2, 2006 18:54:07 GMT -5
rick the name of the nazi experiment raising little aryans was lebensborn. there were camps all over Europe but most in norway and germany. women were encouraged to have aryan children (most dads were SS officers) and then were raised by the state or german adoptive parents. rarely were they raised by their mothers. these children after the war were often treated about like the nazis treated their victims. there was one camp in france. incidentally the german nazis kidnapped about a quarter of a million Polish children and kept the ones that looked ayran; the others were killed. sounds a lot like CAL had his own little lebersborn going in germany.
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Post by rick62member on Apr 2, 2006 20:20:21 GMT -5
Kathy...this is good stuff. i imagine Lebensborne was in its "infancy" in the early 30s--pun intended. CAL was a big donor later on?
What could be weirder than this plot: The All American Boy Hero is a Nazi!
The LKC is just a wee bit ahead of the curve on all this. If it was just a few years later, like 1936, after CAL and Anne meet Goering and start collecting Hitler medals, we could theorize that Anti-Nazis, ie Zionist Freedom Fighters kidnap Charlie, huh? Paybacks are a pregnant dog! [my dad idolized CAL and had a Lindbergh Medal of some kind]
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Post by who took Charlie on Apr 3, 2006 5:33:31 GMT -5
Maybe the eugenists/Germans/Nazis were a little ahead of themselves and took the baby! that would explain CAL's interest in the germans
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Post by rick62junior detective on Apr 4, 2006 19:20:08 GMT -5
Not exactly. Noone blames themselves for stealing the lIndbergh baby. Always, I mean always, blame the other guy! Therefore all the Nazi links in 1932 are clever but red herrings. Who but CAL would know better about German Nazis after all his chats with Alexis Carrell. No, if someone is trying to implicate the Furher and the SS in the kidnapping its someone else. And thats only if there actually was a kidnapping. Looks staged to me?
If none of the 3 primary kidnap gangs actually produce one iota of evidence that they have Charlie other than the sleeping suite mailed from Stamford, CT...well then they just dont have him. This ploy to extort the money should not fool anyone with a working brain. No Charlie, no proof, no ransom. So, if the major players dont have him, then who does. Likely the person that drops off the complicated ransom note into the crib in the Nursery on 1 March 32. Any quesses? Who benefits from finding Charlies body on Mt. Rose Hill....BRH? i dont think so/ its not him.
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Post by rick62private i on Apr 6, 2006 13:26:09 GMT -5
Well, certainly CAL has connections but they all appear to be indirect?
Henry Ford and CAL are Freemasons? Alot of Chrlistian symbolism in there, and maybe another place we might find the Vesica Pisces singnature? There is a link between CAL and Ford. Henry Ford has a German spy for a personal secretary....this guy convinces Ford that all the worlds problems are Jewish Problems. Ford authors "the International Jew" and funds an anti-semitic Detroit paper., Ford reportely meets Hiltler , or at least provides funding to the NSDAP early on when they are broke. Hitler keeps Fords photo on his desk.
CALs mentor is Alexis Carrell, Noble Laureate. Dr. Carrell is a eugenics believer. Later works for the Nazis in Paris in WWII>
Between Ford and Carrell, CAL and Anne somehow fly to Germany after the Trial and meet Goerring. CAL has Goerings photo on his desk in France. Goering gives CAL the German medal of honor for just showing up/
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 7, 2006 1:02:42 GMT -5
The Nazi elements were pretty strong in this case, and what is not generaly known is that most big names like Dulles and Forrestal had investments along with other politicals in Germany and Japan. The seeds for ww2 were set in ww1 when Roosevelt refused to decommision war efforts against Germany after the war was over, against advice of Duilles and Forrestal who opposed Roosevelt's love affair with Russia whose threatening advances were forcing all Europe re-arm. Forrestal-Dulles-Ford-BP were arming Europe wisely against the red threat that was threatening to take over all Europe, what if Russia succeded, would we now be the USSR-US? Forrestal-Dulles set up the OSS unknown to Roosevelt with Lindy recruited to gather info, and much latter when Roosevelt found out he put Wild Bill Donovan in charge snubbing Dulles-Forrestal, but giving them important jobs they couldn't refuse in exchange. There is more to this story that ends in political asassination, but will save that for another day or post some intelligence sites about the Bethesda Naval Hospital Connection. Keyholepublishing.com/Death%20of%20James%20Forrestal.htm
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Post by rick62 on Apr 7, 2006 10:17:43 GMT -5
Rita--not to change the subject, but.....we need to dig up more information on Dwight Morrow Sr. untimely death in 1931. It looks like a prelude to Charlies demise if money was the goal.
Where was Dwight Jr and CAL when Morrow died. Were they at Next Day Hill that day too just like poor Violet Sharpe?
CAL gained alot of important political connections marrying into the Morrow Family--like Breckenridge and Guggenhiems.
Only CAL was just a po' country boy?
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Post by rick62 on Apr 7, 2006 13:51:52 GMT -5
The Occult Origins of Nazism-- How much of the original dynamic of Aryan racial cultist ideology was preserved in the Nazi party itself, once it was dominated by politicians, rather than occult cranks, is a matter of debate. It's fair to say that Hitler really wasn't an occultist in his own right, but he was certainly someone who could relate to gnostic dualism in a strong way. While he was raised as a Catholic, there's evidence to suggest that he tended towards that heretical side of Catholicism that sees the world in very sharp black and white terms. Certainly, Hitler's anti-Semitism owed much to the famous anti-Semitic forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to which he was introduced by his mentors, Dietrich Eckart and Alfred Rosenberg. This notorious Jew-baiting document was first published in German in 1920, but had originated in Russia in the late 1890s. It was highly popular among Czarists during the Russian Revolution as a way of attributing the forces of disorder and radical change to the Jews. There's also very strong evidence to suggest that Hitler actually read Lanz's magazines in Vienna, before World War 1. But after the war there was tremendous acceleration in Hitler's dualistic worldview - most probably due to the Protocols - that the world can be saved only if the Jews are destroyed. Many contemporary observers, people like Albert Speer and others who knew him very well and saw him daily right throughout the Third Reich, noticed that an almost eerie, strange light came into Hitler's eyes whenever Jews were the subject of discussion. He looked kind of haunting; he looked paranoid; he looked strange. He looked as if he was up against something he couldn't beat in the end, because ultimately it was a projection of his own fear. There was the sense that he was a prisoner of dualism. www.lapismagazine.org/archives/L05/goodrick-clarke.html
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 7, 2006 23:10:15 GMT -5
I've read that Hitler had his own personal astrologer, and was fed information that caused him to error on tactics. I think Lindbergh was selected to be a double agent resulting from his kidnap case performance, good at storyelling, deception, and creating false leads.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 14, 2006 1:36:37 GMT -5
Hi Rita/ heres the deal. The Nazis are heavy into the occult and eugenics (Carrel and Ellenbogen) and the Freemasons are heavy into the occult and Sacred Geometry (G) (Ford and Schwartkopf) and CAL is mesmerized by all of them. This must be the origins of his reliance on seances and Edgar Cayce. If the ladder and the ransom note were delivered to CAL from the Bronx then why not pick our best man CJ/Fisch to do the dirty deeds? AG Wilintz went to way too much bother to prove that Fisch was just a nice hardworking Jewish boy who was down on his luck. We are all smarter than that now. Maybe Fisch doublecrossed CAL when he found out he was going to gass 6 million of his shirttail relatives?
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Post by rick62member on Apr 15, 2006 3:07:02 GMT -5
As it turns out another link between Aryan CAL and the Nazis is Freemasonry. Although one type of Freemason was hounded by the Third Riech, another group, the Olde Guard got a free pass. One website suggested that Hitler was interested in finding the Lost Word of Hiram Abiff (Master Mason) which if repeated would contact all the Dark Powers in the Universe? The search for the Holy Grail and Ark of the Covenent (Raiders of the Lost Ark) was cover for finding the Lost Word.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 15, 2006 20:04:00 GMT -5
Note added in proof: On the History Channel it was shown that Hitler began acquiring all the religions artifacts of Europe in 1938 including the Crown Jewels. The Holy Lance that pierced Jesus on the Cross was located in Vienna and brought back to Germany and stored by the SS. After WWII, it was found by the allies and returned to the Church. Metallic xrays show its 7th century/ Happy Easter.
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 15, 2006 23:34:30 GMT -5
Have you read that several cargo U-Boats were used to haul the real articles away? The items returned were carfull copies, and the originals were at another site with the real Hitler. You may have read that Hiler employed several doubles for his public engagements, and that most picures of him were not. The real Hitler looked very much different than the popular version, and the doubles were almost comical to him. Here again we have Hitler's double's body as proof of his death, but I wonder if Eva had sewn that same blue thread onto his diaper?
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Post by rick6231475 on Apr 16, 2006 6:58:42 GMT -5
Yes Rita/ the rocket engineers thought of all that too? they now claim that extensive "scientific" testing of the Holy Spear proves that it wasnt the real deal but was in fact the one passed down thru Charlamane? to be housed for 300 years in Germany before being husseled off to Vienna/ The Church had a brilliant plan to get rich off the Holy Relics but Martin Luther and the Reformation kaiboshed that? I have often wondered about Isador Fisch. Someone very very clever and devious for his years. Was he faking TB on and off with that hacking cough? Launders a bunch of Gold Certs in 1933 with Fritz and then busts a move for Liepsig just in time for Xmas. He would be just a bit older than my Dad? But over 90/
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Post by rick62 on Jun 30, 2006 15:45:15 GMT -5
Two comments on the ransom notes: 1. I may be the only one but I remain convinced that the "water" symbols on the ransom notes (so easily dismissed) are "sigrunes" eg the Nazi SS lightening bolts. OK so they are a wee bit subtle--please see: www.thirdreich.ca/ssto.htm2. Its an oddity to me that the Symbol as a Whole is always or often misrepresented? Even in the Jersey Journal Diagram by Harry Walsh: "he places the holes outside the blue circles" and "leaves out the Sigrunes" Why can't it be done perfectly right--its not that difficult? i can only imagine its to confuse, confound, conceal or deceive. 3. Conclusion: One way or another, in truth or in red herring, the Nazis are shown on the original Nursery ransom notes and this must give some "pause" to CAL when he sees them? This may result in his WAR Council of 4 colonels within 4 hours? They never admit to seeing them and what they could mean.....how about Death to Charlie? The Totenkopf. After all when Charlie is found he is nothing but skull and bones/ 4. All this merges nicely with the Mersman Table and written death threats to Walter Lyle the gas station attendent: "you have betrayed our Nazi brother"/ 5. Wouldnt this scare the pants off everyone who sees it? Where are all the Nazis hiding in the USA? Surely not in Hopewell.
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 30, 2006 20:19:34 GMT -5
Did they ever compare the threat notes to The station attendant to the ransom notes? Have you noticed the similarity to the circles as a postal cancelation mark?
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Post by rick62 skeptic4 on Jul 1, 2006 1:54:55 GMT -5
Good Point Rita/ I really dont think that the Keystone Cops compared any two things with any regularity or accuracy needed for forensic evidence. After all, 30 months passed without a single suspect except for Jafsie Condon and he had to give up BRH to save his own behind? As far as we can tell, everyone only had to say they were totally inocent and their word was accepted? Good enuf! If BRH, mastermind criminal hadnt tossed that $10 Gold Spot to Lyle the case would still be in the colde case files?
No I cant say that the blue circles are from any post office? Ink bottle lid or cork is a pretty good guess? I dont think any cops tried too haard to show how that symbol was made other than to speculate that Doc Condon made his own inks.
Only "1 in 100" ransom or threat notes are cut out of magazines to conceal the handwriters identity! I wonder how many notes had 3-holes punched into them? "1 in a million"?
All the kings horses, and all the kings men, couldnt put Charlie together again/
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Post by Rita Witt on Jul 1, 2006 13:55:26 GMT -5
Hi Rick Here is a site of postal cancellations just to look at the bottom New York for the calligraphy used. The calligraphy used in the nursery note dear sir displays a production line calligraphy often taught to people used to review and edit with clear writing such as postal workers. This would also be a trait to a counterfeiter such as Nosovitsky. Stamp Cancellations www.Hawaiianstamps.com/misofm.html
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Post by rick62 on Jul 2, 2006 12:20:54 GMT -5
Hi rita/ I stand corrected by the lengthy discussion of the ransom notes over on Ronelles board by tanilee/ yourself and Michale.
I never dreamed there could be tiny codes hidden in the Notes/ but, without proper tools or knowledge how could anyone see them in 1932??? is this a spy operation?
In that discussion, someone, maybe Tanilee, says she saw something like a postal cancelleation. You were right!
maybe Tanilee would like to join Charlies Angels?
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Post by Rita Witt on Jul 2, 2006 14:39:42 GMT -5
Hi Rick It could be, and that would explain the delays in response. I don't have my short wave book handy but the different color pie slice could be mathematicly converted to a frequency. The stamp cancellation I saw was 50 centimes air stamp, and if it is on the original will change a lot of theory. Which Book was it that had Fish and Charlie in South America? I think we need to look into that book a little farther. Don't worry about correction, as I have been going around in circles on this case because of the way the court fixed erronious evidence. I found out by communicating with susan and another friend in Florida that because of German accent pronunciation my Gerta Henkel was actualy Hreta Henkel . I wonder if she would be interested in the format though, and is why I started the other site. The other site listed on quick jump has the similar setup like the old board and additional chat room, but no one has bothered to look into it.
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Post by frederick on Feb 8, 2007 18:41:22 GMT -5
It appears to me we have a gaggle of German immigrants just hanging out in New York City between the two World Wars? Any chance that some espionage or smuggling could be going on there....Nah? What about Johannes Junge? Hitler is elected German Chancellor and FDR the Pres in 1932. It wont take them too long to go at in in WWII. Only the USA could defeat The Third Reich just the same as in WWI, so if the Germans tried to use Henry Ford as a foil in the WWI then CAL should be the perfect target for the WWII? www.lapismagazine.org/archives/L05/goodrick-clarke.html
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Post by Rita Witt on Feb 9, 2007 20:27:57 GMT -5
Hi Fred I enjoyed the site you found, and thank you as that is what makes these forums work. I suspect Hitler was being advised by the occult faction, and read he had an astrologer who advised him on his plans also.
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