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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 29, 2006 0:30:00 GMT -5
Was Elizabeth furious over Lindbergh Marrying her Sister? Was Dwight Junior Responsible? Was Dwight Senior's Illegitimate Son Responsible? Did Morrow's Dislike Lindbergh? Did Violet Sharpe Conspire with Other Employees? Book, -A Talent to Deceive- by William Norris, Explains the Family. writeronlinebooks.com/book/talenttodeceive.htm
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Post by Mouse on Apr 30, 2006 9:32:15 GMT -5
I think I asked this question before, but I can't remember where (this board is very hard to maeuver for someone with a failing memory! LOL). Not sure if anyone answered, or if maybe it was among the threads that went away, so excuse me while I repeat myself! <grin> Has anyone here read any of Anne's diaries? If so, what did you think of them? Not sure how to answer your questions, Rita (or were they meant ot be rhetorical and just make us think?). I never got the impression from what I've read that E was angry about CAL's switch in affections. Granted, he was considered quite a catch, but I always got the impression that Elisabeth was never at a loss for beaus, so I wouldn't necessarily think she was furious. Of course, not actually having been there, how would one really know? I'm sure there was a lot of speculation and it would certainly serve a lot of people for her to be portrayed that way, but how can anyone know for sure? And tell me more about this child of Dwight Senior's "from the other side of the blanket" ? I may have heard that before but don't remember it AT ALL!! What a hoot!!! I wonder if you can still get Nicholson's biography? (Although, that having been commisioned by the family, I doubt it would have been covered.)
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Post by kathy on Apr 30, 2006 16:37:42 GMT -5
mouse, i've read some of anne's diaries and have a few. i dont think the diaries reveal much although there are hints here and there. i think it is interesting they were edited by anne and CAl shortly before his death. in biographies of anne there are other hints too. the one reeve wrote about her mother's life shortly before death is disturbing in what Anne tries to express but in her confused state is ignored. i've posted on this before but don't have the book so i can't remember the exact event
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 30, 2006 19:21:02 GMT -5
Doesn't the Norris book have some information on Dwight Jr., Elizabeth, and the illegitimate son of Dwight Sr. Dwight Sr's illegitimate son was supposed to have demanded $50,000.00 dollars from the family?
As we participate in these forums the information that used to be available on the INTERNET is disappearing. A few years ago I could find sites on Constance's Threat Letter, but on a new search all information is missing. There used to be many references to Hopewell's Pig Lady but that is missing also.
The questions were intended to make others think about the many possible bits of information that actually are slipping out of existence?
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Post by Mouse on Apr 30, 2006 22:18:22 GMT -5
Rita - I'm not familiar with the Norris book. What is the name of it?
Very interesting, the disappearing information. Someone must have a lot of infuence!! Do you figure the Lindbergh name still has that much clout???
I know a woman that has lived in Hopewell for a very long time. I'll have to ask her about the pig lady!
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Post by Mouse on Apr 30, 2006 22:39:10 GMT -5
the one reeve wrote about her mother's life shortly before death is disturbing in what Anne tries to express but in her confused state is ignored. i've posted on this before but don't have the book so i can't remember the exact event I think I know what you're talking about. I breezed quickly through the book, but couldn't find it. Anne was concerned about a baby - Reeve wasn't sure if she was refering to Charlie or her own son, who died very early in life. I took it to mean Charlie - I truly believe that although she went on with her life, a little part of her died when he went. If I have time tomorrow, I'll look more.
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 30, 2006 23:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by Mouse on Apr 30, 2006 23:43:41 GMT -5
Rita, I did it again - I lost a post. You asked for floor plans and I can't remember where that was!!! (I'm telling you this board is so-o-o-o-o-o confusing for me!! LOL) I'm going to have to start writing down the questions and where they were before I leave ot research!!! Anyway, after much searching (yes, my eyes are now crossed, but I'm sure that'll pass <snort>) I FOUND THEM!!!!! www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/floorplan.jpg: D
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 30, 2006 23:50:50 GMT -5
The Pig Lady was called this name because she raised pigs to slaughter. She also owned cottages very near the Lindbergh estate, and claimed she had rented to N.Y. gangster types that appeared to be casing the estate. She also lived with a doctor from the Skillman Village.
All this information is disappearing, and makes one wonder how high the Lindbergh kidnap had connections in the government?
I have posted somewhere else a site on Forrestal that I had information had hired Lindbergh to do covert work for Forrestal and Dulles because they were heavily invested in Germany. Forrestal was dropped from the top floor of Bethesda Naval Hospital and 3,000 pages of his documents were confiscated by Truman. I believe Lindbergh's files were among those.
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Post by Rita Witt on May 1, 2006 1:50:34 GMT -5
Thanks Anonymouse The plans should be a regular piece of information on any Lindbergh site as most information describe rooms but leave us wondering where they are.
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Post by anne50 on May 1, 2006 7:05:05 GMT -5
I've been reading on this forum that information on the Lindbergh case has been disappearing. Perhaps the name "Lindbergh" still carries a lot of clout, and those with power to discard information are still trying to protect the name. There are people who will do anything they can to keep Lindbergh looking lily white and Hauptmann looking muddy brown. anne50
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Post by kathy on May 1, 2006 9:43:40 GMT -5
Mouse, thats exactly what Anne told Reeve when Jonathan died. i think the quote was something like " A little of you dies and the rest goes on living" Reeve's son died at the same age that charlie was when he disappeared. thats confusing but i think Anne told her to sit with the baby's body because she didnot have that chance. NO GRIEVING in a healthy way.
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Post by Mouse on May 1, 2006 10:38:48 GMT -5
Kathy, that thing about Anne not ever having a chance to grieve has always bothered me and made me feel really bad for her. How she stayed with CAL after that is beyond me.
I wonder if any of Anne's original diaries still exist or if they were all destroyed. Can you imagine what the unabridged, uncensored ones would be like?
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Post by Rita Witt on May 1, 2006 19:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by mairi on May 22, 2006 18:20:01 GMT -5
Hi Rita~ Yours of April 30 about disappearing Lindberg/Morrow info on net. What is your impression of what's going on there?Who's poweful enough now-adays to do this and how do they go about it? That it is disappearing really peaks my interest. Some trolling I did last nite was to review hydrocephalus/rickets/unclosed fontenels. Evidently they can go hand-in-hand. Closed fontanels (sp?)on average seem to come about at age13.8 months. And of course the fragile bones of rickets link well with the baby's multiple skull fractures.. one article said"...can have fractures without cause". Going to the matter of the pictures of the baby and the thought that none were published after the 1st birthday. There are the three-four often shown together, two of which are obviously B'day and two in the carriage. Compare the two sets and I think it can readily be seen the difference in hair length. The carriage photos appear to be at a somewhat older age, to my eye. In the 3 photos I was studying I also note the same solid black back ground. Am guessing that was for contrast for newspaper/poster reproduction. Feel sure others have covered same ground, but I've noticed questions about only year-old photos and what may have been health problems. There are also varying opinions about the hole in the poor baby's head.I've not had much problem with the story given about trying to turn the body over, with a stick and causing the hole,i.e the soft bone condition of rickets. But I also tried to consider the Dr Carrell "medical experimenter".Was he dabbling in early developement of shunts? The best I could find is that those came along about 1950-ish (but I did have trouble trying to read that small-print article). I doubt I've added much, here, but I am trying to go back and consider some aspects of the case from a different view. (Mouse~where are you?)
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Post by Rita Witt on May 22, 2006 22:54:26 GMT -5
Hi mairi There is so much information that has either been corrupted by authors, or that has been deleted from history by our government truth snatchers that only laundered and perfume scented history of this case is available. Hopewell Pig Lady is gone. Constance threat letters are only in authors books in their personnel choice rendition. Forrestal was navy intelligence assigned to Lindbergh's covert operations Truman confiscate all his records and he somehow fell from the top floor of Bethesda Naval Hospital. Police Gazette a million plus reader magazine was shut down for publishing the true stories behind the Roosevelt against Lindbergh case implications. My father was threatened for selling the magazine. There is reference to Keyhoe who investigated when my brother and I were shot by a sniper after receiving the same threat note the Lindbergh's received. Roosevelt was supporting Stalin in his genocide program which frightened all Europe to accept the then thought lesser evil Hitler. This is why he was able to march in so many countries without resistance. Ford, Rockefeller, used the political influence of Dulles to bring a naval intelligence officer by name of Forrestal into our countries first all services intelligence service to try and get the goods on Roosevelt who was totally in left field and. They believed Roosevelt would lead this country to destruction, because he had turned all of Europe against the U.S. by even supplying Stalin with poison gas cannisters used in their genocide. Below in a post for links you can find some startling facts about our leaders and governments miss deeds. National Police Gazette was sued out of business over revelations on Gangster Potical Control. www.fastcase.com/Yahoo/Start.aspxC=9fb6d359ee400430fcfc635c4bf671dca0006bc1f30... When you try to go to this site you will be told you are restricted from viewing this site which speaks of government control. Lets hope government sensors are removed from our view instead. I will try to scan this report and add it later Just to prove it existed, and before it is made to disappear. It should be noted that issues from first world war warning of Communist influence into war to WW2 Roosevelt warnings and to last publication are missing, but the issues before 1912 are available. www.skylighters.org/puslideshow/pgslideshow.html
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Post by anne50 on May 23, 2006 6:47:53 GMT -5
Rita, who has the power to destroy evidence even now that would lend credence to the Lindbergh case? It's amazing that even now, 70 years after Hauptmann has been executed, that someone would possess the power to destroy evidence so crucial to this case. Do you think it's someone in the Lindbergh family who would possess such power? anne50
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Post by Rita Witt on May 23, 2006 20:59:17 GMT -5
Hi Anne Thanks for trying to defend me on Ronnelle's. It used to be fun to go there, but the gang work together like a pack of vultures. She doesn't realize they have control of her site and all the hard work she put into the site. There was a larger story to Lindbergh, but Roosevelt did his best to stifle all information against from Lindbergh's and Forrestal's investigations.
You realize that even though Roosevelt is gone the political backers are still active and still up to their old tricks and old tricks require cover up.
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Post by anne50 on May 23, 2006 23:09:19 GMT -5
Hi, Rita. No problem whatsoever defending you on Ronelle's site. Ronelle doesn't seem to know that the VDers have control of her site; somehow she seems to back them despite her stance on Hauptmann's innocence. It is so hard to believe that Roosevelt exerts control, even posthumously. So many decades and his influence is still felt. Too bad! anne50
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Post by Rita Witt on May 23, 2006 23:46:38 GMT -5
A lot of the family political backers are still there making money on arms sales, then reconstruction after they use the arms. It seems as though every president we get has special interest backing Enron should have been a warning on this president, but the interesting comparison here is that Bush family had interests in WW2 as well.
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