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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 10:37:06 GMT -5
Rita Kidnap??? Fri May 22, 2009 22:54 76.253.137.224 1. There is always conflict of Lindbergh Case theory that goes nowhere because of simple bickering. I don't like to leave what was otherwise a good post subject with loss of purpose, and to do that one must wipe all confusion aside or clean the slate. 2. There is no proof the child is dead by coroners exam, NJSP missing evidence, or the famous blue thread identification. The professional quality of the kidnap only achieved by large gang or government entity, as cleanup was a professional cleaner that left items to miss-direct guilt. 3. The funny coded ransom note implied no real negotiation effort, and go betweens and extortionists with political connections miss-directed search efforts. 3. NJSP politically pressured to let bone and fingerprint evidence be confiscated by family. 4. During trial witnesses with real evidence were threatened or coerced into silence 5. Lindbergh was politically barnstorming for the presidency, and had made more political speech trips prior to the kidnap than any other opponent. 6. 1932 National Police Gazette was set to clean up our political bootleg establishment to pave way for Lindbergh's Election. During the 50's National Police Gazette sued by politicians named with gangster associates. 1971-72 Purple gang associates threaten my father over distribution of National Police Gazette in view of their scheduled future issues that included the canceled 1932 political bootleg connection with new evidence. Future issues were to have the withheld evidence of the Lindberghh Kidnap, and an issue showing Adolph Hitler's Jewish Heritage. These threats included ending our business if we did not comply by placing the extortion money in Bonds for Israel. All issues of the National Police Gazette from 1912 to 70's were confiscated by the guilty politicians with gangster associates. Purple Gang Lindbergh Kidnap Connection. www.judicial-inc.biz/Lindbergh.htmCharles Lindbergh Censored Political Speech to America First Dec 12, 1941. Speech describes Roosevelt's peace offer to Germany Lies, while American batleships were already shelling German Ports. www.charleslindbergh.com/pdf/dec121941.pdf#search=Lindbergh%20CensoredRoosevelt Tricked America into war with Japan. Li Fu-Jen, War Guilt in the Pacific. www.marxists.org/archive/glass/1945/10/warguilt.htmRoosevelt Saved America From Fascism with his election in 1932. Did the sniping, kidnaps, and war, that followed help eliminate one evil for another? www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-iclc/2005/Presidents_day/lar_keynote.htmld National Police Gazette sue by politicians with gangster associates for revealing political gangster partnerships. www.fastcase.com/Yahoo/Start.aspx?C=9fb6d359ee400430fcfc635c4bf671dca000Hitler's father illigitimate son of cook Marie Schickelgruber-Frankenburger www.historylearningsite.co.uk/Adolph_Hitler.htmHitler's childhood beatings turned against family, but was it overlooked in plan to divide Europe? auschwitz.dk/Hitler.htmAmerican GI depiction of Eisenhower death camp rense.com/general46/eisn.htmwww.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and....ers_death_camps.htm Monsters of WWLII plot to plunder and divide Europe aided international banking figures. judicial-inc.biz/Bush_Mossad11.htmBush-Hitler Connection ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Winston Churchill-Jacobsen destitute but financed by Baruch to fit in the plot to divide Europe. judicial.inc.biz/winston_churchill_biography.htm
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 10:41:50 GMT -5
Rita Rosne,r Owney Madden, and the Nursery Note Sun May 17, 2009 12:22 99.164.53.95 It seems like Lindbergh was trying to arouse public sentiment with publicity. After he got the public involvolved he brought in gangsters, but nobody payed attention now to Lindbergh changing hats from Mr. good guy to associateing with criminals. The Gangster-Condon publicity stunt leans toward trying to sway public opinion away from the facts. The fact that there is a fingerprint cleaned nursery, and a ridiculous occult ransom note that has no method of proof or contact for a kidnap planned for a year. When you also add these strange concerned kidnap parent dealings to all the impossible mistakes on the kidnap police report you can only come up with something other than a kidnap? Below is a post where Rick details his sharp bsevations on the case. ______________ Posted By Rick 2006 By my estimation, one of CALs top 10 blunders, along with chosing Condon as a go between, was enlisting the aid of Mickey Rosner and the mob. What better way than this to irritate and anger the establiched Police forces, and Buyreau of Investigation of the USA, and at the same time scare the hell out of any would be kidnappers than bringing in these killers. Dont leave out Owney Madden--the pure equivalent of Al "Scarface" Capone in the NY City area. Maybe CAL thought these guys would get Charlie back in the nick of time to save thier own skins? If you really wanted to ignore and violate every provision of the Nursery Note...eg to keep things under the radar and on the QT sos to get Charlie back alive and well, well this takes the cake. CAL proclaims that he doesnt want the NJSP triying to catch the nappers, and at the same time brings out the Mob and gives them money and carte blance to go after the kidnappers. Turn over every rock until they are found. 1. Does bringing in the Mob mean that CAL is hell bent to get Charlie back on his own without Police help? Like a big macho cowboy pilot Dad should? Even if Charlie gets killed? 2. Does bringing in the Mob exonerate CAL of complicity in Chalries disappearance by indicating that he is really looking everywhere for him? 3. Does bringing in the Mob prove the lie and hoax real by NOT following the Nursery Note and throwing all caution and Charlie Jr to the winds of fate? 4. Does bringing in the Mob indicate that CAL thinks Al Capone has Charlie and CAL can get him back without giving Al a get-out-of -jail free card? 5. Or was it all just a big publicity stunt keep CAL and Charlie in the newpapers? Keep it all up in the air until Condon takes over in the Bronx? ________________ Some answers to Ricks Post. witty04.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=names4&action=display&thread=57
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 10:48:26 GMT -5
Rita Violet, Whatley, and Fisch Mon May 4, 2009 20:08 76.211.25.30
Theon Wright and Dunninger did many investigative interviews with case characters at the time of the case unfolding. In a rooming house accross the street from Peter Birretellas and Mary Cerritas Church there lived Carl and Greta Henkel, Hans Kloppenburg and Henry Uhlig, Isidor Fisch. Karl Henkel stated Oliver Whatley and Violet Sharpe were frequentley at their church, but surprisingly he told of Dr. Condon and Faulkner as also attendees
I posted on the ice cream shop and lunch counter that Ellerson used to take the ladies in employee of Morrow estate about four years ago here, but some jealous experts on the case belittled my posting then as now. I had never read Theon Wright's or Svcadutos Book, but Sue was generous enough to send me a copy about a year ago, and just happened to read the chapter on Gustave Mancke and realized this must be the name of the shop I was told about by my story source that I posted here four years ago.
Scaduto according to Theon Wright first wrote on Ollie Whatley and Violet Sharpe going with Fisch to the Mancke Lunch Counter Ice Cream Shoppe. In my post four years ago here I mentioned that Ellerson often took the girls to the shop and one time had Charley with Bette Gow and Violet. Professional Jealousy will get the case nowhere.
Mancke said in his statement.
"During these eight weeks and I believe on Sundays, at about 9pm or later a man and a women whom I identify positively from photographs as Ollie Whatley and Violet Sharpe came to my place four or five times to eat. On three of four occasions they were accompanied by a short, thin dark man who looked like Eddie Cantor. He coughed badly and I slapped him on the back saying, "You resemble Eddie Cantor." His friend said, No, His name is Isidor Fisch." This man who coughed always spoke to me in German. I positively identify this man as Isidor Fisch. The man who I identify as Whatley...Limped slightly and had blond hair thinning at the temples... The man Fisch never came tomy place alone. He was there with Violet Sharpe and Whatley three or four times.None of these people above ever came back to my Ive Cream Parlor Shop after March 1, 1932.
Oh yes, my source for my post on the day time trips to the ice cream parlor there was a nearby jewelry store the girls used to shop at.
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 10:55:35 GMT -5
Rita Fact in the Lindbergh Case Changed by Theorists Sat Apr 4, 2009 09:51 99.164.44.197
The Reilly Jury Summation was being read from detail included in the first report investigators made on the scene, and there can be no doubt about that fact, because if his summation statements were not in the same first police report Wilentz and Judge Trenchard had in court they would have objected.
That first report state the window and shutters were closed and locked, and the cabinet in front of the window had nothing disturbed on it's top. We are contiualy lied to by self proclaimed experts who religiously follow Wilentz Doctrine of hideing real evidence like the footprint casts that didn't fit Hauptmann, and the fact that Samuelson made the ladder. Samuelson told Wilentz that one piece of the ladder was not a piece he made, and why would there suddenly appear to be a similar ladder piece made to look lke the original? The fact is the Wilentz case was going no where fast needing to cut and paste handwriting of less than allowed number of hanwriting similarities to make a handwriting match.
Looking at a picture sometimes prove old notions to be wrong, and in the nursery window picture below this can be seen in the nursery window and ladder claim also? The photo was taken from the ground level at a distance perhaps at 45 degree, so no floor area can not be seen only the well light ceiling and opposite wall can be seen past a dark object in the lower part of the window. Fact is if ceiling and opposite wall are well light, no shadow could be in the lower window unless there is a cabinet there to block the light. Light blocked by a cabinet to the mid window latch would on the average be around a five foot cabinet that would block any access to the nursery by ladder alone even if the windows were not locked, but the windows were locked in this case.
Ladder Photograph of Ladder to Nursery Window.
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 11:00:59 GMT -5
Rita Unexplaine Case Items Often Tell The Truth. Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:21 99.164.51.253 They threw the ladder pieces firty feet from where the nearest footprints were, now by that reasoning, in 30 to 50 mph wind gusts the ladder piece the ladder pieces might even have been carried all the way to Europe by the uppert atmosphere wind currents. Verdict people only read into things from printed pages what is convenient to their personel theory. They are nothing but self proclaimed experts, but really just plain hotheads that leave out bits of the story that don't agree with their story. I dont explain those exact details of the window in the Wolf Report each time I post, but give only overal picture of beer stein with artifacts and shutter being closed, but that is enough withou verbal clutter. I think the self proclaimed experts should have read those reports and not tell lies with attached insults to compensate for their lack of knowledge You can see from the case story line that there are problems with claims made by Linbergh and his employees. Michael had a note written by perhaps whatley, but written anonymously claiming that the butler or Whatley was asked to bury some of Charley's belongings on the estate grounds. Could this have been the reason Whatley died suddenly, and might it be Charley's clothing with His Blood on the clothing, and blood stained clothing from the accident Ellerson wrote about in his affadavit to Gov. Hoffman? Psychologists know the thought process the leads to action in the same manner that investigators folow the clue tail. The kidnap day we have Betty Gow questioning Lindbergh for another of his kidnap tricks that he liked to play with Charley, and can't really understand why the security guard was just let off for that day, and Wagoosh was not in the room sleeping with Charley? Lindbrgh calls his attorney first then walks around with the nursery note the detectives didn't see untill he places it on the window cabinet that has the shutters closed and nothing disturbed like the beer steins on it's top. Verdict People keep trying to invent new stories that change that days events to a story that favors their theury. There was a cabinet in front of the window with beer steins on top, and it can be clearly seen in the investigators picture as the dark object at the window lower window pane in a well light room. Think about why someone who thought their child was kidnapped would hold a closed letter, and call his lawyer first without looking at the letter? Since the letter is a different handwriting than later ransom notes could Lindbergh or another employee have written that note which only turns up when he points it ot to investigators in front of the closed window and shutters. These incidents show a complete lack of reasoning chain necesary to produce a solid thought process that states kidnap. It shows that Lindbergh was trying to plant the note in some way so that it could later be built upon with connections away from himself or others in the family. He called his lawyer first to get advice on cooperation he would latter get from his lawyer giving the note to Rosner, Bitz, and Spitale, all well known in regard to Purple Gang Kidnaps. Bitz was later kidnaped and murdered. The issue here is that Cutters thought something happened on another day to change Lindbergh's plans to stay another day at Hopewell. Mrs. Morrow asks her sister from Cleveland to come to N.J. to discuss what she knew about the case on March 1st? All these different irregular action point to a massive series of doubts, finger pointing, and family conflict, which Lindbergh called his lawyer first to help him steer the case clear of family blame. The Wolf Report Contradicts Allen and Kevcon Verdict Nonsense, and clearly shows their trick leave out deceptions of the report on the below link www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/wolf.pdf
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 11:05:27 GMT -5
Rita Kidnap Story Sound Silly Once Put Together Tue Feb 24, 2009 09:17 69.208.0.83
Of Course this does read as a joke, but the that is what the claimed kidnap story would have you believe, and put out by family, and even used in court to sentence Hauptmann to death
Lets Pretend Kidnap,just copy and paste your own additionor version, but note the new version There certainly is enough strange claims to the original kidnap story
Here is the next version with addition from yeserday and today.
Imaginary Kidnapper.
add rw 2-19 I was staying down the road at a cabin rented to me by Mrs. Chowalesky, who agreed to let me store my BOAD NELLIE at her place till I was finished with the Lindbergh Job I was working on at the Hopewell Estate
Now I'm the kidnapper, and have this old rotting ladder I found at Schipple back yard, and he was very nice about saying there were a few old ladder pieces laying around I could have to work on the Hopewell estate.
As I'm carrying the ladder up the road I run into Mr. Hochmouth who is out mowing the frost off his lawn. Hi Mr. Hochmouth my name is Richard Hauptmann, and am doing some work at the Lindbergh place, and could you give me directions there and also to the Deleware river so I can launch my BOAD NELLIE there. (Mr. Hochmouth) Sure just go up that next long drive there, and the deleware is aout 20-30 miles down 518 to Harourtown Amberville.
Did this happen
What luck you have just go up that drive wher Mr.Lindbergh's car that just drove by went into. I just catch up to Mr. Lindbergh getting out of his car. Hi mr Lindbergh sorry I'm late I had to finish up at the apartment building job. Did Dr. Condon get here yet? Yes just put the ladder by the rear window and Dr. Condon will have the shutter open for you to see where the shutter needs fixing to put it
Or did this happen original rw 2-18 I carefully carry the ladder next up the drive Mr. Hochmouth was kind enough to show me the way to the house, but the wind keeps turning the ladder in different directions nearly cork screwing me into the softmud as I approach the house. Not one to be discouraged I quickly placed the ladder to nearly right position when a gust lodged the ladder into secure depression into the sideing.
On climbing the ladder realized the wind could have found a better position, but am not easily discouraged, so I leaned over around thirty inches to pull open one side of the 12 inch shutter (30 inches + 12 inches = 42 inches) wow I'm really stretching, but not easily discouraged, so I swing back any forth in the wind holding onto the shutter till I grab the other half shutter and fling it open. With the chisel Istill have in my pocket I push it into the parly closed window frame then use it to pull myself in the frame, but now notice a cabinet with decor and must use a tight top rollover to clear that junk, and thankfull no one heard me.
Being this master mind kidnapper I natuarly have alternate Plans since I don't dare do the same tight roll over out the window, soo I wait for Bette Gow to come in with her nightly finger print mop up, and here she comes with shoulder length rubber gloves and long handled mop. She is busy mopping the walls other side of room so Charley and I walk out the door and down the front stairs and out the front door.
Or Did this happen posted by A. Condon 2-21 Hello Rita: Can anyone play? Here is my two cents.
In fact, I solved the case. Cal jr woke up and managed to climb out of his crib. The dog, that usually barks but didn't this time, sensed the boy had climbed down out of the crib, and this brave smart family pet ran to the rescue.
The baby managed to climb up on the dog and both the dog, which was carrying Cal jr on his back, and Cal jr. rode out of the house and into the sunset.
So, it really wasn't a kidnap at all.
or another possible br Rita.
I always had a little suspicion that Wagoosh did it. Another possibility is that Waggosh ditdn't like Charley for always throwing a stick at him, and got even one day. Wagoosh tookCharley to the Schipple yard left the body there and a wild animal moved the body away like the story mr Schipple told the police.
Or did this happen posted by Custer"s Scout 2-21.
Good groundwork, but you havn't factored in:
Illuminati Nazi base on Antarctica and advanced bases on the Moon and Mars (Mars base displays face of Hitler).
There is a DVD on Ebay which you should get which explains everything. Sold by bpot555 - contact him and he will explain everything.
Code name to talk to bpot is b"#ll>< - tell him Groucho sent ya!
or did this happen by Rita. but that could explain the Keyhoe Flying Saucer Books, and why Lindbergh built model flying saucers at an underground facility. Charley was kept secretly away from public in the bottom subteranium passage along wit 10 tons of aunt Marthas Holiday Fruitcake
Just Copy Paste and Add Your Own Theories.
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 25, 2009 11:08:51 GMT -5
Rita Michael Forum Chiken Little Parody Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:04 99.164.48.81
Kevcon; I have conclusive proof the sky is falling. I have analysed the data from NASA Terra Sattelite and the Globe Project together with my scientific findings which agree the sky is falling?
Rick; What a whacky assumtion to make, we need more proof?
Michael; Well I see that Kevcon has done his homework, and we should not be to eager to sit in judgement of Kevcon? He has sited the correct research information.
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