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Post by anne50 on May 29, 2006 18:04:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know who the witness was that Wilentz threatened before Hauptmann's trial? Did Wilentz also threaten Lindbergh, and in a way that made him ill at ease throughout the trial? I cannot remember where I read those two things, but if anyone knows about these two threats please inform me. anne50
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Post by rick62 on May 29, 2006 19:04:48 GMT -5
anne/mairi/ well the theme for today is threats? happy memorial day/
Anne...one witness that said he was threatend by Wilintz was hans Kloppenberg. He was told if he said that Fisch brought bRh a "shoe box" he would be arrested asa co-defendent!
Mairi....AS claims to be threatend by either the two young toughs or BRh directly. This is quite believeable especially if BRH went back twice. Maybe by 1934, Fisch or others are dead already and bRH is in the clink. this whole episode might serve to invigorate AGW in his vicious prosecution and asking for the death penalty. But at the same time/ threaten the wood evidence already fabricated to hang BRh/ Both at the same time?
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Post by mairi on May 29, 2006 19:05:18 GMT -5
Hi Anne 50, Look on pg 314, Airman and Carpenter. Hans Kloppenberg was one threatened by Wilenze (and heaven only knows how many others!). It is funny, you and I were doing the same thing-bouncing around in The A & The C . I've had my copy for a number of years and have read it straight through many times. Just recently, though, have been skimming through it=multiple dog ears! Will be interested in your views, as you read along.
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Post by anne50 on May 29, 2006 20:59:14 GMT -5
Thank you, Mairi, for your input. I will get on that page as soon as I can. I hope you had a great Memorial Day, and I hope you have a great night. I look forward to discussing the book in the near future. anne50
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Post by Rita Witt on May 29, 2006 21:54:24 GMT -5
To Anne The films that were taken in the courtroom show Lindbergh squirming in his sea along with unpleasant facial expression. My theory is the inside job was calculated to throw guilt on Lindbergh if he did not cooperate, and we know that he gave a story of super hearing capability to nail Hauptmann which I believe Wilentz coerced. I think we all have remarked on the Fingerprint cleaning, and the Ransom note. There are many inconsistencies in his story and the fact that the body was put back within his walking distance means they had a hard time making him cooperate.
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Post by mairi on May 29, 2006 23:04:26 GMT -5
Rick~You said AS was threatened by either BRH or the other two men. Where does that come from? Since BRH went back on carpentry business twice more, why does that say he threatened AS? If I were a guilty person, I sure can't see myself going back anywhere near there. That someone may have threatened AS, I can roll with. I'd be interested in knowing when the threats occurred, if it's known. And how would AS know that all the threatening people were dead? AS did say, did he not, that when he saw the ladder (as opposed to a photo) it didn't contain all the wood (or all the same type?) he sold? That the ladder looked shabby or somehow different. (Of course in my view, anyway, AK and Bornman had, had plenty of time to work it over).
Rita~ I remain unconvinced that BRH either built or climbed the ladder or was CJ. I still tend to credit his witnesses, even those who were threatened away~~~~~speaking of threats.
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Post by anne50 on Jun 2, 2006 16:39:59 GMT -5
Mairi, I'm with you on Hauptmann and his witnesses. I got a copy yesterday of Jim Norris's book, "A Talent to Deceive: Who Really Killed the Lindbergh Baby?" and intend to begin reading it soon without flipping around so that I can begin to comprehend this case a little better. Have you read this book? anne50
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Post by mairi on Jun 2, 2006 17:30:47 GMT -5
Hi Anne 50~Am hoping I can swing a copy of the book A Talent to Deceive. It must be right interesting as much as it's been mentioned. Until then, I hope you'll get started on it and be back on with some good tid bits. Can you speed-read? ;D
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Post by anne50 on Jun 2, 2006 21:03:59 GMT -5
Hi, Mairi. I wish I could speed read, but I will get on that book as soon as I can. I have flipped through it a tad, and I see that Dwight Morrow, Jr. was a little on the shady side. I never would have guessed till I started reading as much a few weeks ago. It simply never occurred to me that a Morrow would be involved in this case. anne50
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 2, 2006 22:32:38 GMT -5
To Anne I will try to work on the board as yet is difficult to say what happened but may be result of unfamiliar forum routine. I will work on it and try to resolve it.
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Post by anne50 on Jun 3, 2006 11:30:36 GMT -5
Hi, Rita. Thanks for answering so quickly. Your new forum, or subforum, should be a lot of fun. I can't wait till it's ready! anne50
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Post by rick62 Detective on Jun 3, 2006 14:56:31 GMT -5
Hi Angels/ maybe we can now link up the Abraham Samuelsohn thread with the Witintz threatens witness thread??? Makes good sense to me. In spite of susancandys protests her grandpas storey is not so super simple. I dont think its ready for Prime Time Players or Suspects. As I so stated on MMs Board...it exonerates BRH and further embroils JFC in lies. As best we can figure, AS does not surface until September 1933 thanks to two BOI Agents Sisk and JJ Manning (not to be confuse with JJ Faulkner)! Gardner finds them finding AS and not Frank Perimi as Condon wants? So he wont be making any replicas in 1932! or 1933. Maybe late 1934. Maybe Wilintz threatens him with comsipiracy or deportation? This worked for all other witnesses didnt it? Rita/ lets pit FDR and against CAL, BRK, Ford, and America First? But 1932 is an election year and slightely earyly for politics in 1940? Are you suggesting that this could be election insurance for FDR in the Fall of 32 when he trounces Hoover? Maybe CAl was thinking of being the running mate and Charlies absence derails his plan?
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 3, 2006 18:35:55 GMT -5
Rick, I think you got the idea, and if we would still have the files of National Police Gazette that were ripped out of our history we would have more definite answers on the case.
Anne, I think you may not have completed the registration as it doesn't show a new member. It is a more complicated site and at least I had to give name and address, and there is a possibility there may have been blank boxes if you scroll down to fill. It will be an interesting site, and once membership form is filled you should get an e-mail response. Once a member you go to edit and get choices of chat room or other interesting choices. In edit there is a word map
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