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Post by rick61 on Mar 29, 2006 3:55:10 GMT -5
In the Movie Unusual Suspects...everyone fears Kaiser Soze played by Kevin Spacey. Why..because he will kill you/ But all along he is right in front of everyone--the ultimate Con Artist faking a limp and a lisp. This fits Fisch to a Tee. Half the people think hes destitute and the other half think hes a furtrader and business man? Go figure. He keeps to himself like Jeffrey Daimer. He has few friends...except for Gerta Henkel, Harry Uhlig, Charlies Schleser and BRH. He attends the Temple of Divine Power and the Young Mens Chuspah Association. One mystical Christian and one Jewish. Covers all bases. Whats his job...acquiring money for the bankrupt Knickerbocker Pie Company. A front for laundring money. Fisch is refered to as "money bags" because when he shows up everyone gets paid. Fisch has a criminal record in the Trenton Nj area. He was charged with smuggling something, maybe narcotics and his attorney of record: Paul E. Wendel!! Now disbarred, and Ellis Parkers #1 candidate for stealing Charlie. Truth is always stranger than fiction. Fisch has an iron clad alibi for March 1st 1932 provided to him free of charge by Charlie Scheser and the Jungs whose house hes at to collect a bill? Fisch spends most of 1933 laundering Gold Certs and paying for his steam passage to Liepsig in Dec 1933 with Gold Certs. Apparently, hes good at staying away from the law right there in NYC on E. 147th Street right acrossed the street from the Temple of Divine Power and the gas station where BRH gets arrested in 1934. Fisch proves that Truth is far stranger than fiction. Fisch dies of TB in March 1934, with BRHs name on his lips. Maybe he received Germanys Gold Cross of Merit just like CAL?
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Post by rick61 member on Mar 31, 2006 5:20:17 GMT -5
I want to add a footnote to the above summary of Fisch. What was his job or expertise? Clearly acquiring and laundering hot money! Before during and after the LKC. If a gang, larger than we can envision, was involved, vis-a-vis Curtis and Means then there would be clearcut division of labor. Fisch would do what Fisch does best...launder the ransom notes too hot to handle. He and Fritz(?) were reportedly selling hot money for 30cents on the dollar in the Bronx. but so far under the radar they never got caught. Unless Fritz was BRH, as has been inferred by Robert Aldinger, with no proof I might add, then Fisch was working with others to launder this money for the gang. Who would want to buy it? Nobody of course with every G-man and cop looking for the kidnappers? Only BRH was too dumb to see this as suicidal.
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Post by rick61 member on Mar 31, 2006 5:20:50 GMT -5
I want to add a footnote to the above summary of Fisch. What was his job or expertise? Clearly acquiring and laundering hot money! Before during and after the LKC. If a gang, larger than we can envision, was involved, vis-a-vis Curtis and Means then there would be clearcut division of labor. Fisch would do what Fisch does best...launder the ransom notes too hot to handle. He and Fritz(?) were reportedly selling hot money for 30cents on the dollar in the Bronx. but so far under the radar they never got caught. Unless Fritz was BRH, as has been inferred by Robert Aldinger, with no proof I might add, then Fisch was working with others to launder this money for the gang. Who would want to buy it? Nobody of course with every G-man and cop looking for the kidnappers? Only BRH was too dumb to see this as suicidal.
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Post by rick61 member on Mar 31, 2006 5:21:15 GMT -5
I want to add a footnote to the above summary of Fisch. What was his job or expertise? Clearly acquiring and laundering hot money! Before during and after the LKC. If a gang, larger than we can envision, was involved, vis-a-vis Curtis and Means then there would be clearcut division of labor. Fisch would do what Fisch does best...launder the ransom notes too hot to handle. He and Fritz(?) were reportedly selling hot money for 30cents on the dollar in the Bronx. but so far under the radar they never got caught. Unless Fritz was BRH, as has been inferred by Robert Aldinger, with no proof I might add, then Fisch was working with others to launder this money for the gang. Who would want to buy it? Nobody of course with every G-man and cop looking for the kidnappers? Only BRH was too dumb to see this as suicidal.
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Post by mairi on May 20, 2006 14:38:26 GMT -5
FISCH I may have been immersed in these boards for too many hours and days. Am going back to 1) CJ was said to have a left lumpy thumb (maybe a left-handed "fur cutter"?) and JFC checked hands in the BRH line-up. Somewhere I saw a letter Fisch had written and I would find it VERY interesting if that could be checked for "which-handedness" it was. Though I know it wouldn't be firm proof of anything. 2)based on my feeling that the baby was handed out the window (by O. Whateley, me thinks) to someone on that too-short ladder, ----and here's where I may REALLY be losing it---with where the ladder was placed for that, wouldn't the ladderman have to be reaching over with his LEFT hand to take the baby? I have little experience with ladder work but being right handed I feel I would surely have placed the ladder on the other side of the window. ... Yes, I'd best take a rest from the LKC for awhile-maybe go string beads or something.
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Post by rick62 on May 21, 2006 2:50:10 GMT -5
Mairi/ Fisch is a very clever fellow. Even uses mob muscle in some loan sharking deals and knows Joe Digrasi our candidate for lookout at the cemetaries, also Charlie Schleser con and forger. So Fisch is a bad dude.
But kidnapping the Lindbergh baby is almost sheer lunacy. Noone with all thier marbles would want to have everyone chasing them down...only a crazy person. And Fisch doesnt act crazy....clever but not crazy and his specialty is money laundering.
Why, if its true, would Fisch be meeting with Ollie and Violet if the kidnap plot didnt originate at Highfields? Maybe they were all paid in advance to "stage a kidnap"? Now that would be very clever! Especially with promise of immunity in advance.
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Post by mairi on May 21, 2006 17:31:15 GMT -5
Rick~ Thanx for the response. I'll set my bead-stringing aside for now and talk about Fisch somemore.I agree he was clever and a real con man, but how does that rule out being a kidnapper? I acknowledge not feeling over strongly about his foot being on the ladder..I just toy with the possibility.As to "almost sheer lunacy ...and crazy" hmm-m-mm? Rotten, mean and greedy, maybe? Being a (ret.) psychiatric nurse, maybe we're reading crazy and lunacy abit differently. With Fisch I'd vote for antisocial personality disorder and one could be amazed at what all they will risk and think theycan get away with. They're convinced they are more clever than anyone else and unfortunely because they do get away with things they're sure they have the proof of it. I'll think about it some more, though, and see if I can see it in a new light. "Originate at Highfields''? Why not it's origin being at Yellow Feather's camp? I want to study up more on that whole group. That Cerita gal draws my interest (but not because I think she's psychic). Maybe there's a question as to the hired help and other perps being there? Am not sure I have a grip on "stage a kidnap". Does that imply CAL involvement? I've never been a CAL fan...not one bit, but I can't for the life of me think he brought harm to his child. He was naive and a control freak, in my estimation, and by then overly impressed with himself, but getting his child back seems to me, his focus. I'd be plumb glad to be all wrong, if only this case would crack open.
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Post by rick3 skeptic4 on May 21, 2006 20:50:25 GMT -5
Hi Mairi/ well for me its just to simplistic to switch off Fisch for BRH. It never appears that the kidnap is for the money and it also appears that the Family had to go phishing for a gang in the Bronx to take the baite. Many have said that inspite of inflation $50K is too small. After all more money was offered by Evalyn Walsh Macclean ($100K) and the Randolph Hearst News. (even as much as $250K). All this does not make Fisch into any fish storey either.
So, if you only want or need $50K in small bills, why not kidnap sommeone elses kid unless of course there is another hidden or substitute motive? Like a Bank President's?
And finally, like most things its easy to assume that CAL hurt Charlie in some ways but I doubt Anne and Betty would stand for that. Maybe/ but there are lots of other accidents that can befall a 20 month olde boy...car accidents/ falls, epileptic seizures, or surgery for starters and as such just staging the coverup would make CAL a hero twice over.
Its quite clear to me that noone was supposed to get caught in this exercise and that CAL was going to insure immunity. But they were in way to far by the FAll of 1934 to back out. (or even June 1932?)
If I had to make an educated quess--something befalls Charlie over the weekend and it takes 2 days to get all the props delivered and into place. But thats just me/
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Post by mairi on May 21, 2006 22:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks, Rick. I'm going to do some heavy pondering on your latest post. Regrouping can be an interesting challenge...fun, too.
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Post by Rita Witt on May 25, 2006 22:02:37 GMT -5
Hi mairi and Rick On the acrobat reader that may be already on one of your program disks all you need to do is insert disk in most casses and wait for it list to appear. On older programs you need to insert disk and go to run in the startup when the box appears write in the letter of your disk say either d:\ or e:\ and hit return.
It's an interesting question as to who would kidnap the Lindbergh Child? Normaly famous people are only kidnapped by terrorists or political figures, and I have been giving that some thought in my posts. There was a good reason for our federal reserve lobbyists and their politicians to eliminate the pilot Linbergh and his anti federal reserve congressman father from political running.
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Post by mairi on May 26, 2006 16:07:25 GMT -5
Hi Rita~Thank you for the info. I do appreciate it. Will see what I can figure out. Have a good weekend. I'm longing for sunshine, here
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Post by rick62 skeptic4u on Jun 5, 2006 14:31:19 GMT -5
Here is a funny tale about Fisch: First his name appears only a couple of times in the NYTimes between BRH getting arrested and during the Trial of the Century....BUT....2 of those times are in his support by his Friends: "Fisch Falsely Accused"!
Fisch was a member of the Chrzanover Young Mens Association of New York, a Statewide jewish benevolent Society. The secretary of the organization said Fisch was "so poor" that when he sailed to Europe last year he owed $3.60 in dues which he promised to pay when he got back???
It gets better on Sept 25th 1934 The NYT reports....BrunoRHs charges threatened to besmirch the reputation of "an honest man"! Solomon Trager, 35 year old President of the Society says, of which Fisch was a member.
And ...."When you see a man regularly over a periol od years you usually get to know whether he is "trustworthy" and I can vouch for Fisch!"
Also, Henry Ulrich, a friend of Fisch, asked for $150 due Fisch's survivors under the associations benevolent plan. The first such claim ever received by the Association!
Do You Believe That?
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Post by mairi on Jun 5, 2006 15:29:34 GMT -5
Gosh, Rick~ It's so good to find out that Fisch was such a SWEETIE. We should all feel guilty for ever questioning that good boy's character............... Do I believe that?
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