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Post by rick62 on Apr 5, 2006 14:54:33 GMT -5
gardner reported that Fisch and Harry Uhlig traveeled with some woman on the ship back to Liepsig. Maybe she was seen in thier cabin when Gerta Henkel and Auguste Hile--her mother in law? came on board to wish them BonVoaage....but Fisch said to get lost/ "you dont belong here" Secondly, Fisch was rumored to have a secret girlfriend--we need to find out who she was too? Any person connected to Fisch is a "person of interest" in the LKC extortion and the framing of BRH.
Someone has done an excellent job burying Fisches girfriends--maybe even the woman who helped pick up the ladder wood at Abe Sameuelsohns shoppe?
[gerta henkel]
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Post by rick62 on Apr 9, 2006 12:40:50 GMT -5
Just to prove my Kaiser Soze analogy. Gerta Henkel brought her own mother-in-law: Auguste Hile, on board the ship to say Bon Voyage to Fisch. Both women had lent Izzy money for his Knickerbocker Pie Stock fraud. Izzy sends them both packing and tells them to get off. So much for schooltime pals huh. What was Fisch hiding this time.? The fact that neither woman would see her money again. Mrs Hile's house was nearto St. Raymonds and Izzy could have gone there to write the Boad Nelly note? There is a good map connected to the June Bronx Tour on Ronelles Board....GO SEE IT. Fisch owed Auguste Hile $4000 bucks/ www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/bronxtour.html#more%20details
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Post by mairi on Jul 17, 2006 18:51:38 GMT -5
Izzy Fisch is KILLING me!!! You're right Rick, there's no firm evidence other than con man and money launderer. What are we to make of the gold certs he purportedly paid for his passage to Germany with? Do you think that's for sure? It wasn't reported as ransom money, was it? (Or do you think it was, but was concealed, as such?). The authorities certainly did not want him involved, that's for sure! In my desperate "wonderings" it crossed my mind -was there ever actually a CJ? No one ever "saw him" but good old Condon. Maybe the lookouts were his boys, for scenery props? Re: the excerpt on MM's board/ Mrs Hermann. A Mrs Busch is mentioned in a sort of veiled threat to Mrs H. Do you suppose there's any clue as to who Mrs Busch was (or what her transgression was)?
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Post by rick62 skeptic5 on Jul 18, 2006 9:15:27 GMT -5
Well, this is just a guess, but maybe Fisch knew about BRH earlier than summer 1932, but BRH didnt know about Fisch? After all, Fisch ends up with the Gold Certs first.....then BRH?
eg I saw my mother at the Mall this morning. But she didnt see me/
If you are planning a kidnap of Charlie Jr...for a year or more, then you have ample time to plan for a Patsy. Charlie the Pieman Schleser set up Fisches alibi for 1 March 1932, but he forgets to set one up for BRH too. Oops!
Maybe its fatal to have Fisch as your best bud?
As for Mrs. Hermann, and Mrs. Busch? I didnt see that conflict?
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Post by rick62 on Jul 18, 2006 9:26:24 GMT -5
Hi Mairi....good lead-in on Mrs Hermann and Mrs. Busch threat:
What is believed to have happened to Mrs Busch anyways?
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Post by mairi on Jul 18, 2006 19:30:09 GMT -5
Found it! Parker's interview with Steinwig/Ronelle's board regarding Fisch's paying passage with gold certs. Nearly went blind trying to read it. Appears Uhlig may have been wobbling with some things he said (along with most in this case). Steinwig speaks of "bundles" Uhlig then denies and that they were left with someone "in the Bronx". And that (if I was seeing it clearly enough ) Steinwig ? or Uhlig? seems to say Fisch had lots of money. Sure wish I could have read it better. You all with better eyes , may want to see what you think.
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Post by anne50 on Jul 19, 2006 7:43:24 GMT -5
I bet the bundles left in the Bronx were left with Hauptmann. I bet Hauptmann is the "someone". anne50
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Post by rick62 on Jul 22, 2006 11:37:22 GMT -5
Fisch plays a central role in the LKC by most persons estimations? Maybe even as the notorious CJ. But look how many and diverse persons are busy providing Fisch with alibis? Charlie Schleser and the Knickerbocker Pie Company for one....has him busy on ! March 32 picking up debt reciepts? At Jungs home. The Young Mens Chuzpah Society of NYC says Fisch is homeless and broke--DYBT? Fisch's entire family is brought over to Atlantic City to prove Fisch is destitute and dead. Harry Uhlig, one candidate for the tall Austrian bodygurard, never knows nothing? Except that Fisch left BRh a shoebox? How important can all these alibis be, are they for Fisch or totally self-serving? And any leads to Fisch, like the money laudering "Fritz" always turn up to be dead ends?
Then, Fisch knows just about everyone, has property in Long Island, rooms in Connecticut, pays for his last boat ride wiht Gold Certs and travels with an unknown woman? Why such a huge coverup? Because he has friends in high places or just because he fooled everyone right out of thier shorts?
II. In the grand scheme of things...Fisch also seems to have direct connections to the complex symbol on the notes? After all, vesica pisces includes the sign of the Zodiac for Fish! Such a coincidence? Why such a complicated symbol anyways...so complex it must have been designed by more than one person...colors, holes and occult symbols way over everyones head: 7 in all:
Red...could be red johnson Blue...could be violet sharpe Vesica Pisces....could be Mary Magdalene Ceritta/Fisch since Fisch rooms acrossed from Temple of Divine Power/ SS Lightnening bolts....could be Margarite and Johanas Junge who road around with Red the nite of 1 March 1932 and were from Hamburg? 3-holes punched....could be Doc Nosovitsky, international spy...who else would know this trick?
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Post by rick62 skeptic4 on Jul 30, 2006 8:00:08 GMT -5
There are quite a few mystery women in the LKC. One is the one who Condon names early in the case. She either called him up or came over to his house. Shes the one good person from a bad family? Condon vowes to never reveal her name--in the same vein as Abe Samuelsohn never revealling BRHs date to his shoppe?
One key to the LKC is the complex symbol at the bottom of the notes. It is an anchient occult symbol of Mary Magdalene and the birth canal, of Jesus? Or any babe for that matter.It is my understanding that it was created by a woman, namely Mary Cerrita the mystic medium from the Temple of Divine Power. It is poiniently stained red in the center. Does anyone think that Anne could also have the mystic knowledge to create this symbol? There were more women in the Morrow/Lindbergh families than men? We shouldnt overlook them.
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Post by kathy on Aug 4, 2006 6:47:40 GMT -5
i think it is certain condon was either evil or crazy, which one is the big question.
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Post by mairi on Aug 4, 2006 19:20:55 GMT -5
Hi Kathy~ I'm with you on Condon. My belief is that he had a significant personality disorder. Earlier in my life I just saw the word "evil" as being a sort of archaic word/concept. After having worked (in nursing) with the sociopath disorders, I came to see the word "evil" as a living, breathing thing. Not really the same as mental illness, for which I have great compassion. There are degrees of Condon's kind, but I think he surely did exhibit a number of character flaws (in my view ). The reported misconduct with children, clearly a pathological liar, a poser, seeking self aggrandizement to name a few. I think you are right on.
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