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Post by kathy on Mar 27, 2006 7:47:06 GMT -5
Anne, i think it was in Scudato's book that he and Anna went to the apt and found the shevles in the brooom closet had been lowered to appear that short little anna could have seen the top shelf; it was even painted to disguise the fact it had been tampered with. Sort of like the "discovery" in the attic!
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Post by rick62 on Mar 27, 2006 14:25:02 GMT -5
Below find Wilintz quizzing Anna on the stand about the shelves: 9borrowed form Lindy kidnap)
Wilintz: ...The top shelf -- take a look at this closet, please, which is S-264. Is that a correct picture of the closet? Anna. This is the closet here... Q. Does it show the correct position of the shelves at the closet in the kitchen? Anna. No, it doesn't. I don't know. That is not like this. Q. What is it? Anna. There are little bottles up there. I didn't have bottles up there. Q. Well, never mind the bottles. The position of the shelves and position of the cloths. Anna. Yes, the shelves. Q. Are they just as they were in the house? Anna. I think so.
I see four opportunities here for her to shout fraud -- and she does not even whisper it. Nonetheless, Sir Ludovic includes in his interminable book the accusation that the shelves HAD been shifted, "backed up" by claims made by intrepid investigator Robert Hicks.
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Post by kathy on Mar 27, 2006 18:09:08 GMT -5
rick dont you think that looking at a picture of her closet might have been midleading it sounds like she was recognizing something was off but couldn't identify what. ive testified before and its very uncomfortable to be cross-examined especially if you dont speak english as a first language. a photo can distort size, distance,etc. think of photos of mountains, they con't look the same. it wasn't until she actually stood in front of the shelves that she realized they had been moved and were nolonger above her head. why do you think Wilentz didn't charge her as well?
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Post by rick61 on Mar 27, 2006 20:49:52 GMT -5
Kathy....Wilintz was a slimy snake. You are right...the whole prosecution was built on a house of photos. Photos of the ransom notes etc. Photos of wood grain. Theres a good book called "photos lie". As of yet noone has shown that Anna lied, in fact just the opposite. I just wanted to show Allens post to show how evidence is denied by argument and that we should read the account in the Carpenter and the Airman. Acrossed the aisle they toil tirelessly to refute every claim. For the God CAL no lie is too big!
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Post by Rita Witt on Mar 28, 2006 1:39:41 GMT -5
The bottles were used to distract her atention, and this is a common trick employed by attorney's to discredit honest people. It seems CAL has a lot of friends that are willing to contrive evidence for him, as I hear Trenton is displaying pictures of CAL Jr. with half normal face of the child in spite of the fact the first police pictures had complete backened face.
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Post by rick62 on Mar 28, 2006 14:17:00 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rita/ do any of these photos look faked too? Here a link form Michael to the pictures of Baby Lindbergh: members.aol.com/mmel71/images/Lindy/BabyLindbergh2.JPG I thought I'd let you post/introduce it in the way you thought best....
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Post by elyssa on Mar 29, 2006 22:13:42 GMT -5
When was Charlies birthday? The paper says these pictures were taken shortly before the kidnapping and his birthday would be next month. I thought he was born June 22 1930.
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Post by Rita Witt on Mar 31, 2006 3:01:01 GMT -5
To Rick It would be hard to tell with grainy pictures, but I noticed his right ear is missing in the botton left picture, even thought the angle should include it. Would you believe in one suburb in Cleveland they still show his poster as a missing child?
To Kathy Your right about the deceptive process used in the situations where photos are used.
To elyssa Glad to see your post. I read that June 22 also, but I think the picture story may have added that date erroneously.
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Post by kathy for elyssa on Mar 31, 2006 6:36:58 GMT -5
His birthday was June 22 also anne's. these pictures were taken outside and in the summer not before his 2nd birthday. probably before his first birthday. The clothing looks penciled in in the larger picture. and remember his hair had been cut shortly before the kidnapping. I wonder how short?
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Post by elyssa on Mar 31, 2006 7:48:57 GMT -5
These pictures don't look like an 11 month old to me. Is there any way to find the whole page of news paper they were taken from, with the date included. Would like to know exactly when they were taken, or at least when they were printed.
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Post by kathy for elyssa on Mar 31, 2006 9:14:25 GMT -5
In Waller's book there is a large picture of the same (child in the chair) I think i recall that beside this picture is a small birthday cake with one candle. At any rate the Waller copy of this picture it is easy to see how big the baby's head is---I found it in Scott Berg's biography of CAL there is a cake in that picture so it is prbably taken at his first birthday
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Post by carol on Mar 31, 2006 13:09:42 GMT -5
I've always wondered why there were never any pictures of Charlie published after he was 12 or 13 months old. Why? Were his physical problems becoming noticeable?
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Post by carol on Apr 14, 2006 10:17:37 GMT -5
The picture in the high chair was taken on his first birthday. He was 20 months old when he was kidnapped.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 14, 2006 10:43:53 GMT -5
Are there any pictures at all of Charlie after his first birthday? If not, then why not there are many different implications if there are none? Because it is so unbeleiveable! I would have thaought that Anne at least would like some photos when she is flying around the World during the summer/fall of 1931. the China / japan flight was 3-5 months away from Charlie and Gow was in charge up on the Morrow Island....North Haven It could even imply that the baby that was kidnapped had been switched already? Its an extremely weird prelude to a kidnap to be using one year olde photos for ID? Dont babys change alot between years one and two?
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Post by rick62 on Apr 14, 2006 11:51:02 GMT -5
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Post by carol on Apr 14, 2006 13:30:03 GMT -5
No, I've never seen any pictures of Charlie past the age of 13 months. There are pictures of him in Hour of Lead Hour of Gold taken in North Haven with Anne just before she and Lindy left for China, or wherever they went. Someone once pointed out to me that Charlie rarely smiled in any of his pictures. Take a look at them and you'll see what I mean. He looks unhappy, almost like he's in pain. Most children his age grin ear to ear when their picture is taken, not Charlie. Why?
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Post by elyssa CHARLIES RIGHT HAND on Apr 14, 2006 22:44:08 GMT -5
Can anyone blow up the picture of Charlies right hand, where he's sitting in the chair? Looks strange, almost like a face or something, can't make out the fingers. Can anyone HELP.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 15, 2006 19:54:58 GMT -5
Sorry Elyssa/ i cant perform that on Webtv? Does rickets lead to cuppy toes and hands. Is that the issue?
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Post by elyssa for rick62 on Apr 18, 2006 20:23:07 GMT -5
Just wondering if Charlie could have had a deformity of the hands and/or feet that was beginning to be more noticeable or beginning to hinder his progress in life, such as doing things for himself. Would he have had to have constant care if he had lived?Would his problems get worse and need alot of medical care? If so Little Charlie could have become an expensive child to provide and care for in the future, (unless something was done to prevent future problems for the family).
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Post by elyssa on Apr 18, 2006 21:19:12 GMT -5
Somewhere in the late 70's early 80's Robert Bryan appeared on a television program hosted by Tom York. He talked about Anna Hauptmann being his client and said he was helping her clear her husbands name. During this interview he talked about Kenneth Kerwin claiming to be Charlie Lindbergh. He said he had talked to Mr. Kerwin and that there was proof that the Lindbergh baby was alive, but this proof would not be divulged until after Mrs. Hauptmanns death. Can't remember if these were Kerwins words told to Bryan or Bryans words. Also can't remember if there was a condition on Anne Lindberghs death. Does anyone remember this subject? I was wondering what so called proof came out after the death of Anna and Anne, by Robert Bryan or Kenneth Kerwin?
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Post by rick62american pi on Apr 21, 2006 19:02:16 GMT -5
Hi elyssa/ as far as I know, noone on the website boards has mentioned anything about this. Its a little bit mind boggling to say the least. Each author or personality has their own favorite Lindbergh impersonator. Why do I say that, because Charlie could not have been cloned by Dr. Alexis Carrel into 3,4 or 5 persons. At least not on Planet Earth? theone wright was all hept up about Harold Olson in his book :the search for the lindbergh baby". Wayne Jones found 2 additional contenders in Murder of Justice. Robert Aldinger spent hours on the phone proving to me why he was 100% Charlie? Now a 5th comes in from California/ How can this be? One for the money, two for show...etc.
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Post by mairi on Jun 26, 2006 15:02:15 GMT -5
I often think of Anna Hauptmann and her child. One can only imagine how difficult life must have been for them. On and on about the Lindbergs! Who stood by Mrs Hauptmann? Were there those who helped her and her son? She seemed, from whatever I could see, a very decent lady. I hope someone will honor her struggle by writing her story.
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Post by Mouse for Mairi on Jun 26, 2006 15:51:36 GMT -5
Good point, Mairi! Anna must have been such a strong woman! I'm sure it would make an interesting read if someone did write a book.
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Post by anne50 on Jun 27, 2006 20:01:54 GMT -5
Mairi, I often think about Anna and Manfred Hauptmann and wondered how they made ends meet. I feel almost sure that the German community of New York stood by them after Bruno was executed, but I really don't know. Certainly Anna and Manfred had family in Germany who would have been on their side. I had very little concern for the Lindberghs, who could have spoken up for Bruno Hauptmann but didn't. They weren't about to sully their reputations for anything in this world. anne50
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Post by Rita Witt on Jun 30, 2006 0:26:35 GMT -5
To Anne, Mouse, Mairi. I suspect Susan's book may answer a lot of questions about Hauptmann. I hope she gives Hauptmann good revue, but realize that it is difficult for others, proprietor to customer or defendant to courtroom observer, to really Analise real intent through all the counter claims.
I've read that Hauptmann was an excellent carpenter in demand for custom work, and not likely he would tear up a floor board and waste time effort and an expensive plane blade to modify a cheap piece of wood for a ladder. Plane blades are not cheap costing back then a whole weeks wages, and were only used to work surface grain and not to modify the size of rough cuts.
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Post by mairi on Nov 27, 2006 18:29:46 GMT -5
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