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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 5, 2006 22:10:14 GMT -5
There where many references to Lindbergh lecturing on pro Nazi subjects. A big question exhists on what his reasons were for living off the coast of France during the war, and was there just a coincidence or planned proximity to Dr. Carrell in Occupied France?
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 6, 2006 20:35:30 GMT -5
I can see how he might have been a double agent. He had a mansion on an un-occupied French Island during the war, and his friend Dr. Carrell was doing research for the Nazi's in occupied France. He could have used his friends and that unusual circumstance to spy in both directions and make large sums of money.
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Post by rick62private i on Apr 6, 2006 22:09:03 GMT -5
Rita....there is tons of evidence that after the "kidnapping" (sic) and Trial that CAL kissed-up with the Naziz. All we need do is look to Rosevelts quote in 1940..BUT...we have as yet not put the earliest date on it. Like say 1930 or 1931. Its a little bit like "when did Fisch and Bruno first meet"--if its before the kidnap we got them all. If CAL was a Nazi before the kidnap then his stamp is on the notes. Dr. Alexis Carrell did even better after WWII. He was hired by the FBI/CIA to come to America and continue his experiments along with entire cadre of Nazis now working for Uncle Sam.
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 13, 2006 2:11:07 GMT -5
Do you suppose these Nazis's might be among the VD'rs that try to throw the monkey wrench into the other sites? It seems to be professional disruption of various sites, and I cant believe a normal person would fight so hard against discovery. I think Eugenics people are now in control and the unusual happenings in New Orleans and the threat of the bird flue might be their doing.
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Post by anne50 on Apr 28, 2006 19:45:19 GMT -5
I either read or heard that Americans turned against Lindbergh when it became known that he was pro-Nazi. If I'm not mistaken the name "Lindbergh Line" or "Lindbergh Airline" was changed to PanAm after his Nazi ideals came to the fore. Another tidbit I gathered was that his mother quit speaking to him after she learned of his Nazi beliefs. Correct me if I'm wrong, somebody. anne50 P.S. The aforementioned might have come from Noel Behn's book.
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Post by rick62 trooperIV on Apr 29, 2006 5:42:13 GMT -5
Yes Ana, CAL recieved lots of criticism from FDR on down in the late 30s for his kissing up to Hitler and the Nazis. The critical question for us is could any of these antisemitic and eugenic tendencies been detected in 1931 and early 1932 thus effecting the kidnap hoax? Henry Ford, CALs other mentor, writes The International Jew in the mid 20s. Hitler loves it! CAL and Ford are antisemitic masons excluding Jews from membership in a psuedo-Christian religous frat. The SS-Waffen squiggles on the ransom notes could imply knowledge of CALs Nazi sympathies. They can be viewed in detail on Ronelles Board. Maybe Fisch and Nosovitsky teamed up to teach our National Hero a lesson?
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Post by Mouse on Apr 29, 2006 7:07:18 GMT -5
Yes Ana, CAL recieved lots of criticism from FDR on down in the late 30s for his kissing up to Hitler and the Nazis. The critical question for us is could any of these antisemitic and eugenic tendencies been detected in 1931 and early 1932 thus effecting the kidnap hoax? Henry Ford, CALs other mentor, writes The International Jew in the mid 20s. Hitler loves it! CAL and Ford are antisemitic masons excluding Jews from membership in a psuedo-Christian religous frat. The SS-Waffen squiggles on the ransom notes could imply knowledge of CALs Nazi sympathies. They can be viewed in detail on Ronelles Board. Maybe Fisch and Nosovitsky teamed up to teach our National Hero a lesson?
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Post by Mouse on Apr 29, 2006 7:23:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I started to post a response here and hit the wrong key (still not sure which one it was! LOL). I changed my mind when I thought about it, because I'm not sure anyone would want to hear what I had to say because I think you're making way too much about this "Nazi" business. I think what you all are seeing as a "Nazi" leaning is really a case of someone supporting America's isolationism at the time. And he wasn't alone - there were a great many people that were members of America First back then. A great many people that didn't want to get involved in another war. As for CAL kissing up to Hitler and his people, did he actually ever meet Hitler? I knew that they (the Lindberghs) were welcomed over there, but always thought it was because of their accomplishments in aviation. I know that CAL drew a lot of criticism for accepting a medal from the Nazi Party, but, let's face it, the man was kind of stuck on himself and to pass up a chance for being recognized? Can't imagine!! I do think he admired the German's skills in the air and I do think he bought into the idea that they could quash the Americans in the air, but I don't know that I believe he was, himself, a card-carrying Nazi. I just think he was mis-guided, mis-informed and swayed by the Nazi propaganda he was presented with.
Oooops, I guess I did it anyway. Oh, well!!! LOL I know my theories aren't the most popular here anyway. Oh and don't forget that CAL did go on to fly for us in the Pacific before the end of the war. Why do you think he did that?
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Post by Michael on Apr 29, 2006 9:51:36 GMT -5
Did he have a choice? This was a clear attempt to repair the damage done to his ruined image and divert the attention which had been drawn to him by those taking notice of his ulterior motives behind his "isolationism" stance. While he didn't belong to the N.S.D.A.P., many of his beliefs mirrored theirs moreso then the Governments of any other Country during the time. The German Bund endorsed him for President of the United States and Lindbergh was investigated for espionage concerning missing blue-prints given to him for a "self-sealing" fuel tank on airplanes. It raised more then a few eyebrows when it was learned he was the last to have them when they disappeared and when a downed German plane turned up with such a design.
He also (basically) single-handedly prevented alliances which may have prevented WWII by misrepresenting facts to the press concerning air power and capabities etc...
There is much more to this then I can go into.
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Post by kathy on Apr 29, 2006 13:06:55 GMT -5
Michael I think that Carrel arranged the purchase of the island for CAL. Carrel was really his only neighbor.
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Post by rick62 private I on Apr 29, 2006 18:15:11 GMT -5
Mouse and Michael...lets see now, was CAL receiving the Iron Xrss on Krystal nach when Jewish businessmen and family were haveing thier windows smashed. Actually America First may have been an attempt to keep Europes Jews out of America. There is a famous story (Jan DeHartog) about a ship full of German Jews never permitted to dock anywheres on the East Coast. [Many of the passengers went to concentration camps] When we start defending Nazi lovers i am outta here! Next we can rewrite the Myth of Holocoust. The Eugenics seals it for me! And all the ARyan kids. Maybe if CAL wasnt a mason and Carrels buddy it would help?
Anyhoo, this subject gives substantive credibilty to Marks Mersman table and the NSDAP acronym. How could any person no matter how much they hated CAL/Ford/Masons/Americans 1st go out and accidentally find any table brace that fits the Ransom Notes. Nope they cant. If the holes are real so is the Mersman. This brace is a huge UpYurs to CAL and his Nazi buddies-- many hung at Nuremberg if still living.
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Post by Mouse on Apr 29, 2006 22:53:01 GMT -5
Rick - just to clear one thing, I'm not defending the Nazi's!! I'm just saying I'm not convinced that CAL was one (or a "lover" of one!). Just my opinion. I'm not saying he wasn't a bigot; I'm not saying he didn't think Socialism the next best thing to sliced white bread. But if I believed that he was a "Nazi lover", I'd condemn him just like you. There's alot about politics back then that I'm not real clear on and there were very different ways of thinking back then that were more acceptable by the general population than is today. Not only that, but I was under the impression that most of what was going on in Germany wasn't publicized much over here. Was the American press making known what was going on (the camps, gas chambers, Krystalnacht???)?? I'm just not real big on judging people when I don't have all of the facts. (See, I told you my ideas weren't real popular here!)
I'm not even going to dignify the crack about rewriting "the Myth of Holocoust" with a response! : (
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 29, 2006 22:55:58 GMT -5
What was CAL and Carrel doing on the border of occupied and un-occupied France during the war? I read the Nazi's searched CAL's place near the end of the war. It might be that Carrel and CAL were taking advantage of their borderline frienships to make extra money.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 30, 2006 12:09:36 GMT -5
Minnie....lets just get off that track. My only reason for raising it is not to crucify CAL to any greater degree than BRH. "Judge not". We are just trying to ascertain if anyone else picked up on CALs propensity to cut the NSDAP a huge break in the early 30s. this might have precipitated a revenge kidnap? Its odd to me that two or more references to the NSDAP occur starting with the ransom notes and ending with the Mersman. www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/high%20fields.html
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Post by kathy on May 3, 2006 5:53:49 GMT -5
rick, dont forget theos little squiggely lightening marks what were those and why bother to put them inthe note? Yes the nazi's used them too and they were into occult big time-think raiders of the lost ark! i dont have any idea what those little lines menat to the germans but they were there!
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Post by rick62 on May 3, 2006 10:08:11 GMT -5
Hi Kathy--the little squiggels are so scary if they are the Luftwaffen-SS? Ronelle covers these in detail on her website: www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/high%20fields.html There was also a "good luck Swastica" on the Spirit of St. Louis. Also, there is a link to the connection of CAL to the budding Nazi regime of Adolph, Heinrich and Herman: www.forward.com/articles/2052My latest permutation of the singnature/symbol is that it is clearly occult Christian symbolism eg (the vesica piscis): Father/ Son / Holy Spirit or Mother......and the Center is Christ or the Jesus Fish. Since the center is red, well it must represent the Blood of Christ? Could it also represent the blood of Charlie? This symbol would fit perfectly with Freemasons and may be a secret that they are all sworn NOT to reveal?" there are many "3-points of symbolism" in Freemasonry seen in many symbols: widowssons.com/Illinois/northern_jurisdiction_logo.htmBy combining an occult, Christian symbol (with connections to Freemasons) with the lightening bolts of the SS--we can only imagine its a frontal attack on anti-semitism and CAL? Would CAL realize this immediately? Well, if so it would frighten him too.
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