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Post by rick61 12 on Mar 27, 2006 21:08:58 GMT -5
Why I am still Investigating the Lindbergh Case/ Part Two--Enter Gaston Means/ Exit: $100,000
Evalyn Walsh Mclean tried to contact the kidnappers with her own money thru Gaston Means in Washington DC. Both were well connected...Evalyn with the highest politicians and Means with the lowest criminal elements.
Means, never to look a pretty lady, or a gifthorse in the mouthe, set up an elaborate scam to get her money and did. He used, get this, knowledge of the back door Dr. Denton #2 to convince Breck and CAL that his claim of knowledge was legit. There are suckers borne every day...PT BARNUM.
CAL gave his blessing to Evalyn and off she went--all over the East Coast and nearly to Mexico. her money was never recovered and Big Surprise/ neither was Charlie. EValyn was convinced (?) that Means had knowledge only the kidnappers would know. Wish she would have shared that with us.
She had doubts as do most of us, that the body CAL viewd was not Charlies. STay tuned iM looking for a later episode of Liberty Magazine 1938.
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Post by Rita Witt on Mar 28, 2006 0:21:32 GMT -5
Means conned anyone he could, and the book credited to him "the Strange Death of President Harding" was actualy ghost written by Mae thingyer Thacker, a tabloid journalist who he also conned out of the proceeds. Could it be that we are observing CAL to kindly, and since CAL had given his blessing to Evalyn pursueing the Means Project, could it be CAL stood to gain from the con?
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Post by rick for rita on Mar 28, 2006 3:17:20 GMT -5
We shouldnt overlook any level of complexity or complicity in this case. After all, we are searching for a dozen needles in a hayfield. Even Michael said something weird about Gaston Means. How could Means and Walsh know that Condon "threw the ransom money over a fence" to CJ at St. Raymonds unless Means was there? Good question. Evalyn thought Means knew some things about the kidnap gang in the Bronx that would be impossible to make up? Sounds like Curtis too? he said he met John and 4 others somewhere? In CApe May New Jersey. Nevertheless, CAL kept contackt with the Means developements and Curtis until after Charlie's supposed body was found on mt Rose Hill. After that both of them were charged with Fraud, Extortion etc. But NOT Condon. That could mean that Condon was CALs own phoney extortiong go-between to control the media/cops/etc
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Post by Michael on Mar 28, 2006 6:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by rick62 on Mar 30, 2006 1:53:17 GMT -5
Good site Michael...Evalyn too was no shriking Violet. She waded right into the thick of things as if she was protected from up above by a Guardian Angel and met alot of shady characters. 1. i think Evalyn makes it clear that she would not have gone on without CALs blessing...based solely on the Dr. Denton red herring playing out all over this case. 2. What this means (no pun) to me is that noone had Charlie and that he was already dead or in hospital. CAL never asked for real proof Charlie was "alive and well" 3. Means told EWM that the Jafsie ransom was in Chicago/ and that the baby was ill. 4. Norman Whittaker is often overlooked as a co-defendent. his code name was The Fox. 5. Means wants to swapp $35 K of EWM money for marked and recorded Jafsie mony. How can this hold water? Inst that how the 3-monte switcheroo works? 6. EWM meets the man with the hankerchief at St. Raymonds named "John"? Well-educated in his 30s. "I have been a dope runner all my life, and I got tied up in the LKC to collect the ransom money. the man claimed he dilivered dope to Violet Sharpe nad Ollie too? he claimed on the nite of the snatch Ollie put dope in Charlies milk. He claimed he did not know the babe was accidentally killed until after the ransom exchange. the man wanted part of the reward money?" EWM claims in Part Eight that Hoover sent G-men to interview this man but they couldnt get any more from him???Sounds phoney? 7. EWM also belived that CAL was fooled by the body on mt rose hill and under duress said it was Charlie. LT. Robert hicks said the hair didnt match at first? 8. Lt. Hicks is also the one that said theat the shelves in the BRH closet were moved and repainted. Some think Hicks cant be trusted? Hicks obtained a complete set of Erasmus Hudsons prints of Charlie. 9. On top of all this, EWM interjects herself, thru intermediarys into the Curtis case. Curtis said one of the gang he met was BRH! and named "john" too? 10. EWM chased every windmill in towne and got nowhere? At least nowhere near the return of Chalie Jr. or a solution to the LKC.
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Post by Rita Witt on Mar 31, 2006 3:31:30 GMT -5
To Michael Thanks for the site information on McLean.
To Rick Very interesting, and seems that the court surpressed a lot of evidence.
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Post by rick for rita on Mar 31, 2006 4:38:58 GMT -5
Its harder to find information on Whitakker, the Fox, than Means. but Whitakker and Means were tried together. Giving them equal status in their kidnapping hoax. Curtis was tried for not revealing more about the kidnap gang he supposedly met, withholding evidence or something, but when BRH is tried he becomes the Lone Wolfe? So, there are at least 3 gangs in this case, and its possible that all were connected in some ways. Of course, this just makes it all more complicated. thats why the VDers stick to the wood evidence. Its one dimensional and ususally photographic.
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 2, 2006 1:39:22 GMT -5
To Anne This issue of the time sheet that has been inked over to cover the fact he was working, should not have been alowed in court against him to show he was not working. The court used a double standard here and in relation to the Curtis Case.
To Rick If Curtis was convicted of hiding information on the gang members, and Hauptman convicted as a lone wolf, the court again used a double standard. Casses have been overturned where two courts are in conflict on the same case or even similar casses.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 2, 2006 12:42:35 GMT -5
Yes Rita you are right but Its topsy turvey in the World of CALice in Wonderland thru the looking glass of an all American Applepie Hero who claims BRH says "Hey Dr"! Beleiving CAL in 1932 was like believing Moses/the Pope and Jesus himself.
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Post by Rita Witt on Apr 3, 2006 20:10:44 GMT -5
I think if people knew the procedure CAL and Carrell used to make their heartpump they may change their minds, unless of course they belonged to some animal cruelty organization, then the prisoners they used would have been perfectly all right.
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Post by rick62 on Apr 14, 2006 1:26:57 GMT -5
My own take on the Curtis scamola and Means scamola is they both could have been run out of the Bronx Blackmail Gang that is owned by Condon/ thru CAL? They could just be extentions of the Hoax to keep all the hubbub in the News and away from the guilty parties as long as possible. Cemetary John does not have Charlie, Curtis and Means do not have Charlie==all thier efforts are driven by greed and Condons reassurances from CAL that noone will be caught. Its all for Show. Rosner, Bitz, Spitale, Madden and Capone outlived thier usefullness very quickly when they all realized they were being used/ and conned. It all plays backwards to CAL, Highfields, the staged crimescene and the Kidnap Hoax.
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Post by rick62 country pie on Apr 19, 2006 4:44:27 GMT -5
I want to add a Postscript to the Gaston Means/Evalyn Walsh episode. Why did this happen at all? Why did CAL permit Means, eg. "permit the means" of Evalyn getting bilked out of $100,000 dollars plus expenses. Did CAL hate noisey women meddlers? Probably? At various points along a very odd continuum EWM checked in with CAL/BRK to see if she was on the right track. If my reading is correct, when she gave GMeans the ransom money CAl had confirmed that it "must have been legit" by some criteria? BUT--there was no symbol/singnature shown, there was no sleeping suite produced, no photos, prints, phone calls or nuttin honey? All part and parcel of the Gentleman kidnap scheme. Why did EMW blow the dough?
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Post by Rita Witt on Oct 1, 2008 9:06:15 GMT -5
McClain and Gaston Means, and if there actualy was a You could buy a house back then for under two thousand. This $50,000.00 dollars would have been a lot of money for that era, but others were suspecting family foul play not being convinced by the staged events at various cemetaries. People in general wondered why for the straggleing Dr. Fu Man Chu style episodes of ransom negotiations, and for the reason those negotiations had even ignored the New York Times offer of $250,000.00 dollars? One such group from Washington was Mrs. Evalynkidnapper negotiation why would the kidnapper ignore their $100,000.00 dollar offer for the measly $50,000.00 dollar offer from Lindbergh?
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